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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 03 Aug 2019, 15:34

Ansett wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 13:59
Forgive me for putting a cat among the pigeons, but yesterday I had a flash crossing my mind saying : CS is going to sell SN.
You are correct. Air Belgium is going to buy Brussels Airlines. NT has realized a much better financial result for 2018 than CS. Airbus will finance the whole operation (Air Belgium knows how to make financial deals with Airbus).

(typo adjusted then -> than)
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 03 Aug 2019, 20:30

:lol:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 03 Aug 2019, 21:49

Ansett wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 20:30
:lol:
He means « than », not « then ».
Just to be sure...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 03 Aug 2019, 22:36

737MAX wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 21:49
Ansett wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 20:30
:lol:
He means « than », not « then ».
Just to be sure...
:ugeek:
Indeed: stupid typo, I'm so sorry. Reason: I'm surprised that almost no one here reacts to the catastrophic result from Air Belgium, whilst so many people tell us how Brussels Airlines and/or Lufthansa should be run.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Aug 2019, 22:59

Passenger wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 22:36
I'm surprised that almost no one here reacts to the catastrophic result from Air Belgium, whilst so many people tell us how Brussels Airlines and/or Lufthansa should be run.
This is indeed a thread on Brussels Airlines, not on Air Belgium.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sean1982 » 03 Aug 2019, 23:41

Passenger wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 22:36
737MAX wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 21:49
Ansett wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 20:30
:lol:
He means « than », not « then ».
Just to be sure...
:ugeek:
Indeed: stupid typo, I'm so sorry. Reason: I'm surprised that almost no one here reacts to the catastrophic result from Air Belgium, whilst so many people tell us how Brussels Airlines and/or Lufthansa should be run.
Maybe Because not everyone is clapping their hands everytime bad news about AB comes out and want this project to succeed. Not everyone has a feud with every airline who doesn’t have an orange B on its tail like yourself.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Poiu » 04 Aug 2019, 00:00

Interview with Christina Foerster in the “De Tijd”:
Figures at SN are not good and LH won’t be pumping money in SN for ever.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 04 Aug 2019, 00:30

Poiu wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 00:00
Interview with Christina Foerster in the “De Tijd”:
Figures at SN are not good and LH won’t be pumping money in SN for ever.
I did not read anything about bad numbers ... I mostly learned that she had a little black dress in her office and that the Belgians were more nuanced than the Germans .., apart from that few revelations!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 04 Aug 2019, 01:22

Poiu wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 00:00
Interview with Christina Foerster in the “De Tijd”:
Figures at SN are not good and LH won’t be pumping money in SN for ever.
Interesting. I think Christina will look at the remuneration of the pilots. :idea:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 04 Aug 2019, 11:12

nordikcam wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 00:30
Poiu wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 00:00
Interview with Christina Foerster in the “De Tijd”:
Figures at SN are not good and LH won’t be pumping money in SN for ever.
I did not read anything about bad numbers ... I mostly learned that she had a little black dress in her office and that the Belgians were more nuanced than the Germans .., apart from that few revelations!
The idea of the black dress comes from Carsten Spohr himself. The worst expectation for an airline manager is a fatal crash. Therefore, Spohr keeps a black tie in his office, just in case this would happen.

This weekend, Christina Foerster also gave an interview to La Libre Belgique, in which she confesses that she is a fan of Lady Gaga.

A few more interviews, and we will know everything about her! :)
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Poiu » 04 Aug 2019, 11:42

nordikcam wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 00:30
I did not read anything about bad numbers ...
Here you go:
Dit is een strategisch moment voor Brussels Airlines. In nagenoeg onze hele geschiedenis, al van in de tijd van Sabena, hebben we meer geld verteerd dan we verdienden. Dat is nog altijd zo. Gewoon overleven is niet genoeg meer. In het verleden is de groep Lufthansa ons telkens te hulp geschoten. Wel, dat blijft niet duren. Ik ben zelfs verwonderd dat het zo lang heeft geduurd.’

We are at at crucial moment for SN. During, almost, our entire existence we spent more money than we earned. This is still the case. Just surviving is not good enough. In the past Lufhthansa always helped us. This is not going to be the case forever. I am surprised it lasted this long already.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Airbus330lover » 04 Aug 2019, 12:06

But, IMHO, they must assume the bad decision with EW

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 04 Aug 2019, 13:35

The articles in LaLIbre and especially in De Tijd are "komkommertijd" articles. Newspapers have less news to publish, so they fill their pages with a lot of blabla.
The article in De Tijd has practically no substance. OK, the change of livery of a plane would cost 60,000 euros (money that can be spent more usefully elsewhere). Very important news :? , but always good to know.
That LH will not forever put money into SN (without details) is, to me, just an indication that LH/CS will sell SN for a price equivalent of the purchase price + investments made, so that the whole operation is close to zero for LH, and that's probably a price which might attract potential investors, of course not NT :lol: , but an airline or airline group which would not consider SN as a stepson, a ballast it did not want from day 1 that a CEO took office.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 04 Aug 2019, 14:51

Ansett wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 13:35
The articles in LaLIbre and especially in De Tijd are "komkommertijd" articles. Newspapers have less news to publish, so they fill their pages with a lot of blabla.
The article in De Tijd has practically no substance. OK, the change of livery of a plane would cost 60,000 euros (money that can be spent more usefully elsewhere). Very important news :? , but always good to know.
That LH will not forever put money into SN (without details) is, to me, just an indication that LH/CS will sell SN for a price equivalent of the purchase price + investments made, so that the whole operation is close to zero for LH, and that's probably a price which might attract potential investors, of course not NT :lol: , but an airline or airline group which would not consider SN as a stepson, a ballast it did not want from day 1 that a CEO took office.
The ambiguity of things. On one side SN would be worth nothing and could be sold to the first group that would pass through Brussels, on the other hand we would not let go of a company that represents 40% of shares in an airport rather well located in Western Europe and capacity to develop, a real african exxperience. What is not ambiguous is that LH made a big mistake with EW and a second by associating SN and EW. What is not ambiguous is that they seem to have realized it! To see the project at the beginning of October. To sell ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 04 Aug 2019, 18:59

Lufthansa will not / will never sell Brussels Airlines. Not only because Brussels Airlines has 40% market share at BRU, but because SN allows LH to cash in on two routes: FRA and MUC.

Take a calculator: 65 weekly flights to FRA and 50 weekly flights to MUC. Multiply it by the number of passengers and the bonus that LH earns because of high prices, thanks to lack of competition.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 04 Aug 2019, 19:59

Imho, totally wrong !

I don't have any official figures, but out of experience I can say that 95 % of LH pax between BRU-FRA-BRU are connecting pax (mainly at FRA). Not having SN would not change a single thing on this route which has competition from the much more comfortable and relaxing German IC trains for PTP travel.

As for MUC, the story is probably a little different (50% connecting pax, 50% PTP pax ?).
LH/CS will not have sleepless nights because LH would loose the high (?) profitabilty of this route.
Just one route among so many others.

And my gut feeling is that LH/CS don't give a damn about a few French-speaking destinations in Western and Central Africa whose profitability is very high at the moment, indeed, but for how long ? since there is increasing competition. LH/CS will want to concentrate on their core business (which does not include Western and Central Africa).

SN lost one or two years with the merger with Virgin Express and the leadership of (who was it ?) Virgin Express"s CEO. Now, it has lost precious time again with the chaotic situation around their (non) integration into EW.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 04 Aug 2019, 20:45

Ansett wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:59
Imho, totally wrong ! I don't have any official figures, but out of experience I can say that 95 % of LH pax between BRU-FRA-BRU are connecting pax (mainly at FRA).
Totally wrong! Only during weekends, there are -sometimes- more transfer pax. But 95%? No way! And those connecting pax are also very good business for LH because many of them fly long haul. And sometimes long haul Business Class.
Ansett wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:59
Not having SN would not change a single thing on this route which has competition from the much more comfortable and relaxing German IC trains for PTP travel.
Wrong again. The relevant factor is not that SN abstains from BRU-FRA-BRU. The relevant factor is that SN is the lead carrier at BRU, thus not leaving a market share for competitors on FRA-BRU-FRA. I'm not going into detail there - we've done that a few months ago.
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04 Aug 2019, 19:59
And my gut feeling is that LH/CS don't give a damn about a few French-speaking destinations in Western and Central Africa whose profitability is very high at the moment, indeed, but for how long ? since there is increasing competition. LH/CS will want to concentrate on their core business (which does not include Western and Central Africa).
Wrong again. The Lufthansa Group knows that Lufthansa can't beat Brussels Airlines' experience in Africa, hence the group leaves that market share for Brussels Airlines. And at the end of the day, their profit comes to the group too.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by rwandan-flyer » 06 Aug 2019, 10:51

Wrong again. The Lufthansa Group knows that Lufthansa can't beat Brussels Airlines' experience in Africa, hence the group leaves that market share for Brussels Airlines. And at the end of the day, their profit comes to the group too.
If they want a presence in Africa, they can enhance their partnership with Ethiopian Airlines, for East and Central Africa. They is already a strong partnership between Lufthansa and Ethiopian Airlines. Some Ethiopian Airlines flights, in Africa are operated in code share with Lufhansa. They are up to 2 flights a day between Frankfurt and Addis Ababa. A daily service operated by Ethiopian and a 5 weekly service operated by Lufthansa.

Ethiopian Airlines has also code share agreement with Austrian Airlines

For West Africa, there is TAP Air Portugal. They serve Senegal, Ghana, Bissau Guinea, Sao Tome, Ivory Coast, Guinea Conakry, Cabo Verde, Togo and they planned to serve Mauritania, in 2018. I won't be suprised, if they add more destinations in West Africa, such as Mali

I remmember that Brussels Airlines ceased its code share deals with Ethiopian Airlines, few years ago

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by ezis_bis » 06 Aug 2019, 11:17

rwandan-flyer wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 10:51
If they want a presence in Africa, they can enhance their partnership with Ethiopian Airlines, for East and Central Africa. They is already a strong partnership between Lufthansa and Ethiopian Airlines. Some Ethiopian Airlines flights, in Africa are operated in code share with Lufhansa. They are up to 2 flights a day between Frankfurt and Addis Ababa. A daily service operated by Ethiopian and a 5 weekly service operated by Lufthansa.
I'm very sorry to say this, but Addis Abeba Airport and Ethiopian Airlines Customer Service are absolutely horrendous. The airport more than the the Customer Service. If LH is going to send all its Africa passenger through ADD, I'd swith to Air France or KLM or just try someone new.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 06 Aug 2019, 12:35

rwandan-flyer wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 10:51
I remember that Brussels Airlines ceased its codeshare deals with Ethiopian Airlines, a few years ago
... because Ethiopian was undercutting Brussels Airlines on common destinations!
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