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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Poiu » 13 Jul 2019, 09:21

Boavida wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 00:22
sn26567 wrote:
12 Jul 2019, 15:04

SN is expected to present a business plan by the end of August.
August already? :)

Let's hope it's an ambitious plan...! SN has so much (unused) potential.
Christina Foerster called it a “turn around plan”, that doesn’t sound very ambitious. It sounds more like save and cut to me, but then again, my analyses have been proven terribly wrong in the recent past.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Boavida » 13 Jul 2019, 10:56

"Turn around" means changing direction. From low cost EW strategy towards a network carrier. At least, that's what I understand :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Poiu » 13 Jul 2019, 11:33

Boavida wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 10:56
"Turn around" means changing direction. From low cost EW strategy towards a network carrier. At least, that's what I understand :)
Turnaround stands indeed for backing out or retreating from the decision wrongly made earlier but also for transforming from a loss making company to a profit making company.
Seen the continuous losses in the past and the fact that Christina specifically mentioned: “we need to go to the gym”, I fear this plan will not be about growth but about cost saving to become profitable and only start growing in a second stage.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 13 Jul 2019, 13:40

rwandan-flyer wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 00:46
For example why is Brussels Airlines not flying to Brest with a 50 seater three times a day ?
Brest not a smal market, but not a big market. The airport is linked to Paris Cdg, 3 times a day and since March 2019, there is 3 weekly service to Amsterdam opeated by Air France HOP. Currently, It's probably enough

Rennes or Montpellier (where i have lived from 1988 to 2002, my mom & my brother still leaving there), could a better choice.

Montpellier was several times linked to Brussels, in the past. By Air France from late 80s to eraly 90s, then by Air Littoral (airline based at Montpellier) in 90s. In late 2000s, Ryanair started service to CRL, but ended service, in 2019. Brussels Airlines opened a seasonal service to Montpellier, in 2014, in competition with FR but they didn't resume service. TUIfly BE planned also to start service to CRL, but flights to CRL are also operated from Béziers and Nimes, by Ryanair, which are less than 1hrs by drive, from Montpellier.

MPL is linked to CDG (4 flights a day wirh AF), AMS (from 1 to 2 flights a day with KLM) & Heathrow (during the summer, 4 weekly flights with British Airways). To reach many Africans destinations, MPL is also linked to Casablanca (3 times a week by Royal Air Maroc) and Algiers (2 times a week, with Air Algérie)

Rennes was linked to Brussels, for a short time, with Air France HOP, in 2018 & 2019, but the route was suspended. RNS is linked to Amsterdam (1 flight a day with AF HOP), Cdg (3 flights a day with AF HOP) and Madrid (2 weekly service with Iberia Express). RNS airport was very under used, during longtime. Since few years, the airport is growing fast.

RNS is the 10th biggest city in France, by population. Montpellier is the 7th

Probably, they is a gap to fill for SN from RNS or MPL ? However MPL & RNS are located near some bigs airports (Marseille for MPL (1h50 by drive), NTE for Rennes (1h30 by drive), which is sometimes hard for MPL & RNS to attract airlines.

SN A319 at Montpellier, in July 2014

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Montpellier Airport Timetables Summer 1990. BRU is served by Air France. 5 weekly service, with a Fokker 28

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Brest was just an example but I'm not sure it's a too small market.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 13 Jul 2019, 15:18

rwandan-flyer wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 00:46
For example why is Brussels Airlines not flying to Brest with a 50 seater three times a day ?
Brest not a small market, but not a big market. The airport is linked to Paris Cdg, 3 times a day and since March 2019, there is 3 weekly service to Amsterdam operated by Air France HOP. Currently, It's probably enough

Rennes or Montpellier (where i have lived from 1988 to 2002, my mom & my brother still leaving there), could a better choice.
If SN had remained part of EW, it would not only have been the centre of competence for long-haul flights, but also the operator for Eurowings flights from France and The Netherlands (due to linguistic affinity). I guess we would have seen many more SN flights from France to several destinations around the Mediterranean.

But now SN is heading to a completely different future, I guess!
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by saratoga » 13 Jul 2019, 15:35

I foresee a lot more flights will be outsourced together with making crews redundant.

My opinion.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by crew1990 » 13 Jul 2019, 17:42

This is what I think as well, this is even why we are hiring right now for the next summer season.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 17 Jul 2019, 14:41

Universal Asset Management acquires an Airbus A330 (OO-SFV) :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... rbus-a330/
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 19:48

LH and LX (Star Alliance) and CX (OneWorld) to code share extensively

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-07-17-c ... 13819.html

I presume this was negotiated before SN was taken out of EW. Any chance SN will code share with CX, too ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Inquirer » 17 Jul 2019, 20:09

I think they already do; but not on the flight between there 2 home airports itself as the Russians forbid it for some financial reason of unsettled accounts dating back to the days of SABENA?
Or was that ANA? Could very well be the same issue.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by airbuske » 17 Jul 2019, 21:15

Ansett wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:48
LH and LX (Star Alliance) and CX (OneWorld) to code share extensively

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-07-17-c ... 13819.html

I presume this was negotiated before SN was taken out of EW. Any chance SN will code share with CX, too ?
CX is already code sharing on SN!
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 17 Jul 2019, 21:18

Inquirer wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:09
I think they already do; but not on the flight between there 2 home airports itself as the Russians forbid it for some financial reason of unsettled accounts dating back to the days of SABENA?
Or was that ANA? Could very well be the same issue.
I thought it had something to do with European/Russian tensions?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 21:43

airbuske wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:15
Ansett wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:48
LH and LX (Star Alliance) and CX (OneWorld) to code share extensively

https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-07-17-c ... 13819.html

I presume this was negotiated before SN was taken out of EW. Any chance SN will code share with CX, too ?
CX is already code sharing on SN!
Perhaps, I did not search properly, but when I go to SN's web site, all I get when I try to book a flight from BRU to HKG is flights via FRA/MUC with LH and LX via ZRH.

And on another topic, but not off topic (Brussels Airlines in 2019), why does SN put a hurdle on accessing their web site, something I have seen no other airline do ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 18 Jul 2019, 12:33

SFX currently on her way back from FRA, as SN1808. ETA 1311.

Tomorrowland or Tech reason?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 18 Jul 2019, 13:22

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
18 Jul 2019, 12:33
SFX currently on her way back from FRA, as SN1808. ETA 1311.

Tomorrowland or Tech reason?

H.A.

Tomorrowland, with 4 of my colleagues.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 19 Jul 2019, 10:49

I noticed a small difference in the security video the voice changed it's not this famous British guy anymore? (I don't remember his name)
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 19 Jul 2019, 11:13

lumumba wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 10:49
I noticed a small difference in the security video the voice changed it's not this famous British guy anymore? (I don't remember his name)
Ray Cokes is his name.

I think I recognized his voice on the safety audio announcement on LOT. Anyone to confirm?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 19 Jul 2019, 11:30

sn26567 wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 17:46
CTBke wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 13:19
Looks like the only class getting a complimentary service is Bizz&Class, now Flex&Fast passengers need to pay for their food and drinks

https://www.brusselsairlines.com/en-be/ ... fault.aspx
Does it mean that the cost difference between Flex&Fast and Check&Go will be reduced, in other words, that Flex&Fast will be cheaper?
Not really cheaper, no (well I confess that booking generally no more than a couple of days in advance I am in the pricey range).
But I flew F&F to/fro BCN on Tuesday and had a breakfast on the 06:20 and a chicken wrap on the last bus at 21:20. Both free of charge. (heck, "free" with a +500 EUR ticket).

For info, no Biz row outbound and only 1 Biz Pax inbound. Both A319, pretty much full boat behind the F&F row.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by b720 » 19 Jul 2019, 21:05

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 11:30
sn26567 wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 17:46
CTBke wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 13:19
Looks like the only class getting a complimentary service is Bizz&Class, now Flex&Fast passengers need to pay for their food and drinks

https://www.brusselsairlines.com/en-be/ ... fault.aspx
Does it mean that the cost difference between Flex&Fast and Check&Go will be reduced, in other words, that Flex&Fast will be cheaper?
Not really cheaper, no (well I confess that booking generally no more than a couple of days in advance I am in the pricey range).
But I flew F&F to/fro BCN on Tuesday and had a breakfast on the 06:20 and a chicken wrap on the last bus at 21:20. Both free of charge. (heck, "free" with a +500 EUR ticket).

For info, no Biz row outbound and only 1 Biz Pax inbound. Both A319, pretty much full boat behind the F&F row.

H.A.
Flex to GVA is EUR 280 O.W. They shouldn’t charge for meals and drinks, not at those prices..

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Apuneger » 19 Jul 2019, 22:19

lumumba wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 10:49
I noticed a small difference in the security video the voice changed it's not this famous British guy anymore? (I don't remember his name)
Flew with SN from BRU to FRA and back yesterday (Tomorrowland). The safety video was still narrated by Ray Cokes during both flights.

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