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Like They mentioned in the press (not really in belgian press). It Will work close together with the network carriers. But it Will be in between the eurowings and network carrier.

My opinion. Long haul brussels airlines. Medium haul maybe seriously reduced and point to point destinations eurowings

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As far as I understand it, the long haul part wouldn't work without the medium haul, since they desperately need the feeder flights coming in from all over Europe in the morning. The catchment area of BRU itself is not big enough to keep the long haul flights viable.
It was explained to me like that by someone from within SN some time ago. Granted, it's been a while since I've seen that presentation, so things may have changed, but it seemed to be pretty much their entire modus operandi.
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You are correct. They need the feeder flights.
Holiday destinations eurowings, feeder flights brussels airlines.

In the press was mentioned that brussels airlines did not have a long haul like other network carriers
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FlyingUnicorn wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 21:27
You are correct. They need the feeder flights.
Holiday destinations eurowings, feeder flights brussels airlines.

In the press was mentioned that brussels airlines did not have a 360 degrees long haul hub and that was a reason for not being considered like a netWork carrier.
SN has more long haul destinations than OS...and OS is a network carrier, no ?

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FlyingUnicorn wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 21:27
You are correct. They need the feeder flights.
Holiday destinations eurowings, feeder flights brussels airlines.

In the press was mentioned that brussels airlines did not have a 360 degrees long haul hub and that was a reason for not being considered like a netWork carrier.
So Brussels Airlines will be replaced by Eurowings on the European flights?!

I understand it wrongly I tought they gone a keep the Brand also for European flights so nothing changed in fact!!!!
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lumumba wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 21:50
FlyingUnicorn wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 21:27
You are correct. They need the feeder flights.
Holiday destinations eurowings, feeder flights brussels airlines.

In the press was mentioned that brussels airlines did not have a 360 degrees long haul hub and that was a reason for not being considered like a netWork carrier.
So Brussels Airlines will be replaced by Eurowings on the European flights?!

I understand it wrongly I tought they gone a keep the Brand also for European flights so nothing changed in fact!!!!


That was a personal opinion. Brussels airlines for the main european feeder flights. Maybe eurowings for the point to point. I think its Gonna be a mix.

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This is the press release...

The integration of Eurowings and Brussels Airlines has also been halted and the latter will be more closely aligned with the network airlines.

It's clear to me that there will be no Eurowings in Brussels Brussels Airlines will have to develop a bigger hub to survive I don't see a place for Eurowings.

Or just for the holidays flights and we speak about 3 or 4 planes here not more.

From where do you have this info are you an insider?
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lumumba wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 21:50
I understand it wrongly I tought...
Indeed: you did not understand it.

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Passenger wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:01
lumumba wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 21:50
I understand it wrongly I tought...
Indeed: you did not understand it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: that's a good one ..
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lumumba wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:00
This is the press release...

The integration of Eurowings and Brussels Airlines has also been halted and the latter will be more closely aligned with the network airlines.

It's clear to me that there will be no Eurowings in Brussels Brussels Airlines will have to develop a bigger hub to survive I don't see a place for Eurowings.

Or just for the holidays flights and we speak about 3 or 4 planes here not more.

From where do you have this info are you an insider?
The press release is not clear to me. Just guessing
Closer aligned... but not a network carrier. Brussels was not mentioned in the marketcap...
Why no eurowings planes in brussels?! Can work. Like u said. 4 planes.

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FlyingUnicorn wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:15
lumumba wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:00
This is the press release...

The integration of Eurowings and Brussels Airlines has also been halted and the latter will be more closely aligned with the network airlines.

It's clear to me that there will be no Eurowings in Brussels Brussels Airlines will have to develop a bigger hub to survive I don't see a place for Eurowings.

Or just for the holidays flights and we speak about 3 or 4 planes here not more.

From where do you have this info are you an insider?
The press release is not clear to me. Just guessing
Closer aligned... but not a network carrier. Brussels was not mentioned in the marketcap...
Why no eurowings planes in brussels?! Can work. Like u said. 4 planes.
SN has more long haul destinations than OS...OS is a network carrier. What's the difference with SN ?

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The 4 network carriers in the LH Group are all operating in a different way, they all have a hub and a network but there isn't a single strategy that can be used across all airlines. There are 4 different strategies.

All airplanes operated from BRU by Brussels Airlines will be (re)painted in Brussels Airlines colors, also SNN and SFB.

It remains to be seen what is going to happen with SFJ-K-L-P (A330 operating from DUS), that is something that will be looked at this quarter. What's already known: (1) they will stay on the SN AOC, (2) the tickets will be commercialised by LH, but the aircraft won't be painted in Lufthansa c/s.
Eurowings colors will probably disappear (it would be confusing for the passengers and it does not fit well with the redefined Eurowings).

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So maybe Brussels Airlines planes in Dusseldorf!!!! ( I mean in Brussels Airlines colours)
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DeltaWiskey wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:54
The 4 network carriers in the LH Group are all operating in a different way, they all have a hub and a network but there isn't a single strategy that can be used across all airlines. There are 4 different strategies.

All airplanes operated from BRU by Brussels Airlines will be (re)painted in Brussels Airlines colors, also SNN and SFB.

It remains to be seen what is going to happen with SFJ-K-L-P (A330 operating from DUS), that is something that will be looked at this quarter. What's already known: (1) they will stay on the SN AOC, (2) the tickets will be commercialised by LH, but the aircraft won't be painted in Lufthansa c/s.
Eurowings colors will probably disappear (it would be confusing for the passengers and it does not fit well with the redefined Eurowings).
Thank you very much for your reliable information and explanation !

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FlyingUnicorn wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:15
lumumba wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:00
This is the press release...

The integration of Eurowings and Brussels Airlines has also been halted and the latter will be more closely aligned with the network airlines.

It's clear to me that there will be no Eurowings in Brussels Brussels Airlines will have to develop a bigger hub to survive I don't see a place for Eurowings.

Or just for the holidays flights and we speak about 3 or 4 planes here not more.

From where do you have this info are you an insider?
The press release is not clear to me. Just guessing
Closer aligned... but not a network carrier. Brussels was not mentioned in the marketcap...
Why no eurowings planes in brussels?! Can work. Like u said. 4 planes.
The marketcap was about the situation then, where SN still was (is?) a part of EW. We'll have to wait for LH's future press releases to see wether SN is to be mentioned with the network carriers or not...

I don't see any logic nor advantages in making SN an 'in between'-airline. It's either in the network carriers, or in Eurowings.

Since LH stated that integration into EW is no loger a goal, I dare to assume SN will indeed be considered a network airline but that they'll have to work for it...

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SN will not be considered a 'real' network airline as they won't expand the BRU hub a lot. SN will most probably only expand in Africa and if needed for Africa also in the US. That's it.They won't become a network airline like SWISS with destinations in most of the continents. That's why they call it 'to align SN closer to the network airlines'.

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Sabena320 wrote:
04 Jul 2019, 10:55
SN will not be considered a 'real' network airline as they won't expand the BRU hub a lot. SN will most probably only expand in Africa and if needed for Africa also in the US. That's it.They won't become a network airline like SWISS with destinations in most of the continents. That's why they call it 'to align SN closer to the network airlines'.
Your own interpretation or some real info? If SN is not be considered a network airline, nor a subsidiary of EW, xhat is it?

Focussing on Africa in the short term might not be a bad idea anyways... Money can be made in Africa and, although slightly decreasing, it still is a niche market and a cash cow for SN. Building up finances, expanding African presence and frow there grow further.

As the very SN-case has proven, things can change quickly in aviation. Up untill a month ago we all thought SN was going to disppear in hthe EW brand...

And if the company is given a second chance, on the condition of making more (enough) money, you're better of in Africa in stead of the highly competitive transatlantic market or venturing deep into Asia.

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I don't see the problem to be a network airline with a niche market....it's the same has Finnair for example and you have a lot more examples!
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The reason why OS is more of a network airline is not of its intercontinental network (they have more or less the same number of long haul aircraft as SN) but are the many connections to eastern european destinations (70+% of pax is transfer traffic).

If you look at their route map you hardly see anything in Southern Europe for example: no Madrid, no Lisbon or Porto, no Malaga, Bilbao ... I even am not sure whether they fly Barcelona

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DeltaWiskey wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 22:54
It remains to be seen what is going to happen with SFJ-K-L-P (A330 operating from DUS), that is something that will be looked at this quarter. What's already known: (1) they will stay on the SN AOC, (2) the tickets will be commercialised by LH, but the aircraft won't be painted in Lufthansa c/s.
Eurowings colors will probably disappear (it would be confusing for the passengers and it does not fit well with the redefined Eurowings).
These are all LH planes recently transferred to EW. I understood the long haul flights out of Germany will be taken over by LH.

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