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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lucas » 13 Nov 2019, 12:42

Duke wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 11:19

I flew to TLV last month, and was surprised to see that security was not different from any other flight.. so, no extra questions about the luggage, etc.. like it used to be a few years ago...
So, I don't mean that security is not good, but that there is no (noticeable) extra security for the TLV flgith...
When leaving TLV, security at the airport is a bit more strict, and quite some questions are asked before one is allowed to go to the check-in counters...
On the whole, I did have a safe feeling...
I flew to Tel Aviv in July with El Al. We were in BRU almost three hours before departure, and due to the extra security checks, we barely made it to our flight. They indeed questionned everyone, even those who didn't speek English at al. In the return flight, there was no extra security at all. Three people of our group have been taken apart for almost an hour because one year before, they had been to Pakistan and Abu Dhabi, countries that do no not recognise Israel.
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13 Nov 2019, 11:19

I flew business (for the first time with SN). I must admit I was rather disappointed. Business uses the first 3 or 4 rows in the plane, and only a cardboard above the seat indicates where Business ends en Flex and Fast starts...
Nothing else, no different seats, not even a curtain dividing the parts of the plane, so that all economy passengers just freely walk around the whole plane, e.g; to use the front lavatory. Only the middle seat is not sold, but no noticeable more legroom or other space, and not really a quiet environment.
The crew is very friendly, but doesn't offer too much extra. Yes, there is a free meal (but on the day flight, leaving Brussels at 9.30 am and arriving in TLV at 3 pm, it is standard only beakfast...). Everything else can be ordered for free from the menu, but is not offered as standard.
So, what are then the advantages of flying Business? Quicker check-in, using the fast lane for security, and priority luggage delivery at the belt... and, the use of the lounges...
I'm not sure a real business man (I'm only a tourist flying business "by accident"...because the flight was fully booked) will pay that much extra for what is offered by SN.
SN must offer a real business class product, with decent seating in a separate cabin, even on European flights, and certainly on the TLV flgith, which takes 4.30 hours...
We flew economy class with El Al, and it was by far the best medium-haul flight I've ever had. There was plenty of legroom, every single seat got an audio system with headset so you could listen to the flims that were played on the overhead screens or to up to 15 different radio stations. We got a nice meal and two or three drinks for free. I would for sure fly them again!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 13 Nov 2019, 22:33

LY has its 738's flying at 148 pax capacity. No wonder leg room is generous.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Duke » 13 Nov 2019, 22:52

lucas wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 12:42

We flew economy class with El Al, and it was by far the best medium-haul flight I've ever had. There was plenty of legroom, every single seat got an audio system with headset so you could listen to the flims that were played on the overhead screens or to up to 15 different radio stations. We got a nice meal and two or three drinks for free. I would for sure fly them again!


So there seems to be an enormous difference between SN and LY.
A 4,5 hours flight on SN without any form of IFE (not even a simple moving map above the passenger's heads) is quite boring...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by b720 » 14 Nov 2019, 10:46

Today, you can compare SN with easyJet .. and it doesn’t
Look good in comparison.. overpriced and increasingly inferior service.. LY is definitely the best option to TLV.
Problem is that they don’t fly on Shabbat.
Like A3 is a better option to Athens..

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 14 Nov 2019, 10:54

I have the same feeling with LY they have a good service for me it's the same problem with SU on the Moscow route SU is better.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by CTBke » 14 Nov 2019, 11:51

lumumba wrote:
14 Nov 2019, 10:54
I have the same feeling with LY they have a good service for me it's the same problem with SU on the Moscow route SU is better.
If SN simply installs a sort of local network where you can connect your tablet with you can see all the films they offer on the long haul flights and a moving map. Don't have to be WIFI (as that's really expensive for an airline) but at least the local network could be a start.

And it does exist, Titan airways offers the same on their fleet
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 20 Nov 2019, 22:47

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 130db6b8c8

Short summary : CF wants more women in managerial positions by 2025 :lol:
I am, of course, not against the idea, but at this very moment this sounds like saying "we want more stewards as flight attendants".

I thought there were more urgent and more important décisions to take or goals to strive for at the moment at SN. If this is all CF can come up with, there will be no SN in 2025 ! Imho, she has caught the LH virus, diverting attention from the real problems at SN.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 20 Nov 2019, 23:01

Does anyone know for sure if SN is legally (juridisch/juridiquement) separated (divorced) from EW ? Are they standing alone ? (as LH still leaves SN in limbo).

Like other members rightly pointed out, it is not by shrinking that you solve the problem. Expanding in promissing/profitable markets is part of the solution.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... euwe-china

= India is the new China. The void left by Jetairways has not been completely filled.

SN to India again (with schedules which make connections at BRU a good option for flights to North America, also in codeshare with AC and UA ? Well, I presume LH will want to keep the Indian market for itself.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 20 Nov 2019, 23:15

Ansett wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 23:01
Does anyone know for sure if SN is legally (juridisch/juridiquement) separated (divorced) from EW ? Are they standing alone ? (as LH still leaves SN in limbo).

Like other members rightly pointed out, it is not by shrinking that you solve the problem. Expanding in promissing/profitable markets is part of the solution.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... euwe-china

= India is the new China. The void left by Jetairways has not been completely filled.

SN to India again (with schedules which make connections at BRU a good option for flights to North America, also in codeshare with AC and UA ? Well, I presume LH will want to keep the Indian market for itself.
LH will not share its Indian market with SN. They did not want the extension of Mumbai in time.
AI will not wish to overshadow LH .. and so will not come to BRU. Indigo?
Not having a direct line between Brussels and India is simply pathetic.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by convair » 21 Nov 2019, 10:35

No more Moscow flights for SN? Has this been announced?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 21 Nov 2019, 12:24

convair wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 10:35
No more Moscow flights for SN? Has this been announced?
Source? I haven't heard anything.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by CTBke » 21 Nov 2019, 12:44

sn26567 wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 12:24
convair wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 10:35
No more Moscow flights for SN? Has this been announced?
Source? I haven't heard anything.
last one appears to be 29/11 and after that none are planned.. unable to book through the website
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by convair » 21 Nov 2019, 12:53

CTBke wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 12:44
sn26567 wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 12:24
convair wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 10:35
No more Moscow flights for SN? Has this been announced?
Source? I haven't heard anything.
last one appears to be 29/11 and after that none are planned.. unable to book through the website
Last one mentioned on FR24 data was on November 17.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by CTBke » 21 Nov 2019, 13:51

convair wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 12:53
CTBke wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 12:44
sn26567 wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 12:24
Source? I haven't heard anything.
last one appears to be 29/11 and after that none are planned.. unable to book through the website
Last one mentioned on FR24 data was on November 17.
looks like they cancelled with immediate effect and in silence
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 21 Nov 2019, 14:29

A route where you have to be...
It's a huge market for business and the cargo is valuable too...

This is a market where you have to be....

Nothing confirmed yet but what will they keep Spain, Greece, leisure flights... Come on????!!!!!

On this way we will never receive any Star long haul after all effort. It starts to be a big joke but one where you are not laughing with....

If your home carrier is shrinking you cannot develop what you had in mind.

If confirmed, but again nothing is visible yet, some others can jump on it. Wizzair has now the perfect plane for that to do this distance.

Hopefully the other alliances will grow further as Star is less shining above BRU.

It starts to be frustrating for all of us...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by ezis_bis » 21 Nov 2019, 14:38

Atlantis wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 14:29
It starts to be frustrating for all of us...
It starts to be unbelievable
My partner had to be in SXB this week, very last minute, wanted to check SN... No flights
Really, nothing, all week

(Has this also been cancelled without telling?)

So, Air France it was

And considering the proximity of AMS and CDG, maybe SkyTeam will be more and more interesting for us
We both have *A Gold, but we're not married to it

Anyway, there are 3 daily flights between BRU and MOW with Aeroflot, I hope LH seriously doesn't think people will prefer changing in FRA instead?

Also, I seem to be ranting a bit too much, I could book this today;
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by theeuropean » 21 Nov 2019, 15:10

They are still trying to define the reboot plan, I heard from the grapevine.

Hopefully this is part of an optimisation of the network, because they could potentially earn more with better timings for different destinations.

I know A3 (very different market) but it does stop some of its "year round routes" for a few weeks in winter season as it is more cost effective to have a plane sitting in ATH than flying around empty, maybe SN is trying that experiment?

I also hope BRU is going to give SN some type of help of some kind - they should not be surprised or annoyed of a shrinking SN if they also don't do anything.

In other news EW is not looking good either and OS I feel is putting much hope on its US routes.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 21 Nov 2019, 16:15

convair wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 10:35
No more Moscow flights for SN? Has this been announced?
Was announced on this forum 3 weeks ago:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 19:07
They will also stop operating Moscow flights from 18.11 till 20.12 and from 11.01 till 24.02. According to one of SVO employees their flights are usually loaded with 80-90 passengers. After moving to SVO they have nothing to do against Aeroflot which offers completely same on-ground conditions, a much better service with almost same prices and 21 weekly (3 daily) flights on board B738 against 5 weekly 319 in summer season and 4 weekly 320 in winter season.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by convair » 21 Nov 2019, 16:43

Jetter wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 16:15
convair wrote:
21 Nov 2019, 10:35
No more Moscow flights for SN? Has this been announced?
Was announced on this forum 3 weeks ago:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 19:07
They will also stop operating Moscow flights from 18.11 till 20.12 and from 11.01 till 24.02. According to one of SVO employees their flights are usually loaded with 80-90 passengers. After moving to SVO they have nothing to do against Aeroflot which offers completely same on-ground conditions, a much better service with almost same prices and 21 weekly (3 daily) flights on board B738 against 5 weekly 319 in summer season and 4 weekly 320 in winter season.
I had missed that post; sorry.
That situation is very sad and worrying. SN was aiming at a second daily flight only a few years back. You can't compete if you can't offer at least an equivalent service for the same price.
Downgrading their service will not help to reboot.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by ezis_bis » 21 Nov 2019, 16:52

If DME worked better than SVO, what was the logic behind the change ?
Plus, almost all LH group carriers are at DME

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