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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by DeltaWiskey » 02 Nov 2019, 18:05

Passenger wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 22:24
DeltaWiskey wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 22:18
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 17:52
Next Thursday is November 7th. What a nice touch to pick that date and not a day before or after.
:cry:
Why?
On 7th Nov 2001, Sabena was declared bankrupt.
Lol, it is just like RoMax said, it's the day that Lufthansa announces its Q3 results. Don't take it personally like H.A., it has nothing to do with Sabena.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 02 Nov 2019, 20:36

It's also on the same date, 7 November, that Austrian will disclose details of its huge savings plan

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... operation/
André
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by DannyVDB » 02 Nov 2019, 21:23

convair wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 11:03
SN is still flying to Nantes today. Do they still plan to discontinue?
Will end 23/11. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_ ... stinations
Don't know if that information is correct, but that explains it ...

BTW: in the November issue of B-Inspired following destinations can still be seen on the map (but will or might disappear with the reboot plan of course):
- Seville, Almeria, Alicante
- Heraklion, Kalamata, Athens
- Yerevan
- St Petersburg
- Bordeaux, Nantes and 4 destinations on Corsica
- Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Zadar
- Ohrid
- Olbia and 3 destinations on Sicily
- Hurghada
- Funchal
- Tenerife, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, Fuerteventura

I think the latter (4) will remain, I think also several of the Croatian destinations, but many of the above might be dropped. Curious to see which ones will remain.

Most of the Greece destinations are gone, as well as Sal and a few others ...

Cheers,
Danny

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 03 Nov 2019, 00:38

sn26567 wrote:
02 Nov 2019, 20:36
It's also on the same date, 7 November, that Austrian will disclose details of its huge savings plan

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... operation/
And also AF/KLM will release their Q3 results on the same day, 07/11

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Deejay » 03 Nov 2019, 10:23

Shouldn’t SN also ditch their LOOP program? it must have a cost two operate two FF programs...

As a FF myself, I find it rather annoying not to be able to simply login with my M&M account, and be able to make a swift reservation without having to retype all the data...
The only way to login on SN’s website is with the Loop account, and they do not save the M&M data...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Boeing767copilot » 03 Nov 2019, 13:47

Deejay wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 10:23
Shouldn’t SN also ditch their LOOP program? it must have a cost two operate two FF programs...

As a FF myself, I find it rather annoying not to be able to simply login with my M&M account, and be able to make a swift reservation without having to retype all the data...
The only way to login on SN’s website is with the Loop account, and they do not save the M&M data...
LOOP disappears!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Nov 2019, 14:58

Boeing767copilot wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 13:47
LOOP disappears!
I wonder how they will integrate the people with Loop bonuses and awards into the Miles & More programme. They could rely on the previous experience when SN's Privilege programme was abolished to adopt M&M, but are there still employees who were involved in the switch?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by A321Lufthansa » 03 Nov 2019, 19:07

DannyVDB wrote:
02 Nov 2019, 21:23
convair wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 11:03
SN is still flying to Nantes today. Do they still plan to discontinue?
Will end 23/11. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_ ... stinations
Don't know if that information is correct, but that explains it ...

BTW: in the November issue of B-Inspired following destinations can still be seen on the map (but will or might disappear with the reboot plan of course):
- Seville, Almeria, Alicante
- Heraklion, Kalamata, Athens
- Yerevan
- St Petersburg
- Bordeaux, Nantes and 4 destinations on Corsica
- Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Zadar
- Ohrid
- Olbia and 3 destinations on Sicily
- Hurghada
- Funchal
- Tenerife, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, Fuerteventura

I think the latter (4) will remain, I think also several of the Croatian destinations, but many of the above might be dropped. Curious to see which ones will remain.

Most of the Greece destinations are gone, as well as Sal and a few others ...

Cheers,
Danny
They will also stop operating Moscow flights from 18.11 till 20.12 and from 11.01 till 24.02. According to one of SVO employees their flights are usually loaded with 80-90 passengers. After moving to SVO they have nothing to do against Aeroflot which offers completely same on-ground conditions, a much better service with almost same prices and 21 weekly (3 daily) flights on board B738 against 5 weekly 319 in summer season and 4 weekly 320 in winter season.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 03 Nov 2019, 19:56

To business destinations you need to have daily flights and the best are twice daily. On this way you can offer to your pax the needed flexibility. Now they just take the competition bcs of very flexible hours and frequentie.

Their route network is a mess as too much leisure destinations. Drop them and keep only a few to Spain where we have a lot of Belgians who are living there and others who are really top destinations.

But to build a real business network is needed bcs foreign long haul airlines are requesting this also from SN but they can't offer.

And as second, invest also in a regional fleet of A220

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Deejay » 04 Nov 2019, 15:08

Atlantis wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 19:56

And as second, invest also in a regional fleet of A220
are you sure ?

The LX experience with the A220 is dramatic ... + bad seating, bad pitch...
I do think the OS Embraers are much more reliable, aren't they ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 04 Nov 2019, 18:21

Atlantis wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 11:50
Less flights are even better, more pax per bigger plane is much more convenient for the whole environment.

Less flights are also much better for the fact that the airport has a lot of margin to grow. The plafond is not reached yet. And this makes us more attractive then our neighbour airports.

So what is written here in the last couple of posts is completely not relevant and is just writing to write sth as long as it can be negative. But you forget that a few people here can counter this
Atlantis wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 19:56
To business destinations you need to have daily flights and the best are twice daily. On this way you can offer to your pax the needed flexibility. Now they just take the competition bcs of very flexible hours and frequentie.
Good that you changed your mind. Frequency indeed matters when you want to operate a hub and cater to business demand. Or did you just write the first post to discredit my post while you already knew better? :?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 04 Nov 2019, 19:04

Jetter wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 18:21
Atlantis wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 11:50
Less flights are even better, more pax per bigger plane is much more convenient for the whole environment.

Less flights are also much better for the fact that the airport has a lot of margin to grow. The plafond is not reached yet. And this makes us more attractive then our neighbour airports.

So what is written here in the last couple of posts is completely not relevant and is just writing to write sth as long as it can be negative. But you forget that a few people here can counter this
Atlantis wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 19:56
To business destinations you need to have daily flights and the best are twice daily. On this way you can offer to your pax the needed flexibility. Now they just take the competition bcs of very flexible hours and frequentie.
Good that you changed your mind. Frequency indeed matters when you want to operate a hub and cater to business demand. Or did you just write the first post to discredit my post while you already knew better? :?
Dear Jetter,

I don't change my mind like the wind is blowing.

And both post are completely separate and nothing to do with each other

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 04 Nov 2019, 19:21

Atlantis wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 19:04
Jetter wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 18:21
Atlantis wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 11:50
Less flights are even better, more pax per bigger plane is much more convenient for the whole environment.

Less flights are also much better for the fact that the airport has a lot of margin to grow. The plafond is not reached yet. And this makes us more attractive then our neighbour airports.

So what is written here in the last couple of posts is completely not relevant and is just writing to write sth as long as it can be negative. But you forget that a few people here can counter this
Atlantis wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 19:56
To business destinations you need to have daily flights and the best are twice daily. On this way you can offer to your pax the needed flexibility. Now they just take the competition bcs of very flexible hours and frequentie.
Good that you changed your mind. Frequency indeed matters when you want to operate a hub and cater to business demand. Or did you just write the first post to discredit my post while you already knew better? :?
Dear Jetter,

I don't change my mind like the wind is blowing.

And both post are completely separate and nothing to do with each other
Well, less flights and bigger planes don't go well with increased frequencies and flexibility do they?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 04 Nov 2019, 19:58

Jetter please...

You are comparing apples with pears.
Less flights since Sabena is in general for all airlines who are flying to BRU. This is for everybody

Increasing business flights for SN I'm saying this already for a long time. This means also decrease the number of leisure flights.
Regional flights are a part of your whole network. With this you will never reach the target which was on 2001.

Instead of blaming people, be happy that there are at least a few people with first hand info. And not like you wrote: "bcs you know better"

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Darjeeling » 05 Nov 2019, 11:50

Anyone heard about the social plans at SN ?

It seems that was presented to the unions the past few days is really looking like a social plan, with lay-offs...

The "volunteers" concept is a very special approach... to say the least from what I've read. The ultimate goal being: to get enough volunteers who leave the company at almost zero cost (the famous "dat moet niks kosten" value, so popular at SN management).

If not enough volunteers, several people could be laid-off the next two years (time frame of the plan). The social situation is very critical at SN at the moment, and anxiety is rising every day. The next financial figures and forecasts are pretty bad as well. The Thomas Cook chapter is only part of the explanation...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 05 Nov 2019, 16:17

LH leaving SN die a slow death…
The Thomas Cook consequences should be overcome in the medium term, is there is a medium term for SN.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 05 Nov 2019, 18:46

It does not smell good but I'm not subscribed ..."Worse than a social plan"...

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 264d4580a1

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 05 Nov 2019, 19:10

The extraordinary works council meeting will take place on Thursday at 08:30. That's when management will officially inform the representatives of the workers. The rest is only guesses, or leaks.
André
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 05 Nov 2019, 22:49

nordikcam wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 18:46
It does not smell good but I'm not subscribed ..."Worse than a social plan"...

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 264d4580a1
Free article: www.sudinfo.be/id150211/article/2019-11 ... -la-clarte

No growth until 2022 it mentions. But little shrinkage might be the best to hope for now.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 06 Nov 2019, 05:50

Atlantis wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 00:38
sn26567 wrote:
02 Nov 2019, 20:36
It's also on the same date, 7 November, that Austrian will disclose details of its huge savings plan

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... operation/
And also AF/KLM will release their Q3 results on the same day, 07/11
Q3 results of AF/KLM have already been published. www.airfranceklm.com/en/system/files/q3 ... 5736_0.pdf

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