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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by ezis_bis » 24 Jun 2019, 12:56

PttU wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:15
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
I think that bringing *all* short haul flights still under EW would bring us back to the issue we have now (rather complicated operations for EW), plus you downgrade the service on some routes with lots of frequent travellers (TXL, HAM). There are quite some connecting passengers here .
This is contrary to what LH seems to say today; focus more on the point to point in the home markets, and allign SN more with Network carriers.

What I can see happen though, are indeed the 100% tourism flights indeed becoming EW. I see some sense in that.
Even though, the Eurowings Short Haul presentation of today completely omits Belgium in this respect, so here again I don't think it is what they have in mind (at the moment, maybe they change their mind again).

Now, maybe thinking about the costs (and where to cut) at SN maybe isn't a bad idea either. There are quite some old gas guzzlers buzzing around, sadly.

https://investor-relations.lufthansagro ... ations.pdf

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 24 Jun 2019, 12:57

What a relief really a great day today.. :D :D :D
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by luchtzak » 24 Jun 2019, 13:01

Green union LBC - CNE: "The identity and the specificity of Brussels Airlines are recognized by the LH group mangagement. Brussels Airlines will look for optimizations and savings and look at synergies within the Lufthansa Group.

We will be a regular airline carrier again: still fighting low cost and optimize our Long-Haul network."

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by SkyTourist » 24 Jun 2019, 13:18

PttU wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:15
Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 10:47
LUFTHANSA announces a re-orientation of Brussels Airlines: closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued.

The best news ever. :D
Not to be the party-pooper that brings rain on this sunny day, but...
What if "Brussels Airlines" will indeed remain for the long haul flights, but Eurowings will take over some European Flights, gradually increasing it's foothold at BRU, slowly phasing out the destinations, crew and aircraft of SN?
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
That way "closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued." remains valid, but not necessarily good news for the long term.
When going through the Capital Markets Day presentations (https://investor-relations.lufthansagro ... ations.pdf, no visual sign of Brussels, so anything is still possible ...
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by mad_fab » 24 Jun 2019, 13:30

This slide is interesting
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by saratoga » 24 Jun 2019, 13:33

I foresee more sn flights transferred to Cityjet to cut expenses!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by SkyTourist » 24 Jun 2019, 13:35

mad_fab wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:30
This slide is interesting
Yep, only mention of LH aircraft

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by C96C » 24 Jun 2019, 13:38

SkyTourist wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:35
mad_fab wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:30
This slide is interesting
Yep, only mention of LH aircraft
The slide is about Longhaul...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by mad_fab » 24 Jun 2019, 13:40

C96C wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:38
The slide is about Longhaul...
My point, exactly. No other mention of SN in the whole presentation.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by ezis_bis » 24 Jun 2019, 13:56

mad_fab wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:40
My point, exactly. No other mention of SN in the whole presentation.
The page of the presentation above is;
Longhaul of EW today (so BRU is in a different colour, as today SN is a separate part of EW)

and it litterally says it will be realigned and not integrated in EW

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by theeuropean » 24 Jun 2019, 14:04

I think we will know more at the end of Q3 with the turn around plan. Let's see what's in store.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 24 Jun 2019, 14:11

theeuropean wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:04
I think we will know more at the end of Q3 with the turn around plan. Let's see what's in store.
I don't think we'll have to wait that long. Brussels Airlines nv/sa allways publishes its annual account (jaarrekening/comptes annuels) in the second part of June. The 2018 result is already known to Lufthansa, so within a few days we'll know more or less what Lufthansa means with "turnaround plan for Brussels Airlines".

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by mad_fab » 24 Jun 2019, 14:12

ezis_bis wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:56
and it litterally says it will be realigned and not integrated in EW
I get that, just figured this statement was only about the long-haul routes.
I wonder what's going to happen to the short haul routes.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by dev7 » 24 Jun 2019, 14:54

Passenger wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:11
theeuropean wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:04
I think we will know more at the end of Q3 with the turn around plan. Let's see what's in store.
I don't think we'll have to wait that long. Brussels Airlines nv/sa allways publishes its annual account (jaarrekening/comptes annuels) in the second part of June. The 2018 result is already known to Lufthansa, so within a few days we'll know more or less what Lufthansa means with "turnaround plan for Brussels Airlines".
Why would they disclose their future strategy in their statutory accounts?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 24 Jun 2019, 15:26

dev7 wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:54
Passenger wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:11
theeuropean wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:04
I think we will know more at the end of Q3 with the turn around plan. Let's see what's in store.
I don't think we'll have to wait that long. Brussels Airlines nv/sa allways publishes its annual account (jaarrekening/comptes annuels) in the second part of June. The 2018 result is already known to Lufthansa, so within a few days we'll know more or less what Lufthansa means with "turnaround plan for Brussels Airlines".
Why would they disclose their future strategy in their statutory accounts?
I didn't say they will disclose theor future strategy. I only said: "...so within a few days we'll know more or less what Lufthansa means with "turnaround plan for Brussels Airlines"...

Their annual account is much more then just figures. They explain why a result is very good or very bad. Example: the loss from the refused insurance payout for the 22/03/2016 attacks was in the 2017 account.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Jetter » 24 Jun 2019, 15:26

SkyTourist wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 13:18
When going through the Capital Markets Day presentations (https://investor-relations.lufthansagro ... ations.pdf, no visual sign of Brussels, so anything is still possible ...
Indeed. SN/BRU is remarkably absent from the whole presentation. These slides are from the presentation of the LH-group as a whole (thus not just network-airlines):

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The new plan for EW/SN can be good or bad news: being recognized as a network carrier just as OS or moving shorthaul to EW, USA to UA and Africa to other hubs.

If there ever was a time when the Belgian government has to show it supports aviation and the unions/staff have to show they want SN to be competitive it is now. The new strategy for SN will be presented in Q3 so is in the making.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by convair » 24 Jun 2019, 15:51

Conti764 wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:54
PttU wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:15
Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 10:47
LUFTHANSA announces a re-orientation of Brussels Airlines: closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued.

The best news ever. :D
Not to be the party-pooper that brings rain on this sunny day, but...
What if "Brussels Airlines" will indeed remain for the long haul flights, but Eurowings will take over some European Flights, gradually increasing it's foothold at BRU, slowly phasing out the destinations, crew and aircraft of SN?
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
That way "closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued." remains valid, but not necessarily good news for the long term.
It seems fairly logical to me to shift (a part of) the leisure flying and p2p heavy destinations to EW.
I fully agree. This is what a few of us here suggested many months ago when integration was first discussed. For example the weekend leisure flights (to Italy, Spain,Portugal and the ex-TC destinations, hopefully against some compensation even though it remains in the Group, plus some other [almost] pure leisure ones like Canary Islands, Capo Verde...)
But SN needs to keep a basic short-haul network focussed on business pax in order to feed its l/h flights and to keep a certain idendity on the market, and on short-trips tourism pax.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 24 Jun 2019, 16:03

If there ever was a time when the Belgian government has to show
What Belgian government? There isn't any! And even if there were one, it would have many problems more pressing. Belgian government never do more than they really need to, yesterday and today and for many days to come. Wallonian authorities were very right to take the lead themselves - and have been rewarded accordingly!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Boeing767copilot » 24 Jun 2019, 16:13

And what about the Brussels Airlines flights for Thomas Cook when the travel/leisure company will be sold or ....

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by dev7 » 24 Jun 2019, 16:44

Passenger wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 15:26
dev7 wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:54
Passenger wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 14:11

I don't think we'll have to wait that long. Brussels Airlines nv/sa allways publishes its annual account (jaarrekening/comptes annuels) in the second part of June. The 2018 result is already known to Lufthansa, so within a few days we'll know more or less what Lufthansa means with "turnaround plan for Brussels Airlines".
Why would they disclose their future strategy in their statutory accounts?
I didn't say they will disclose theor future strategy. I only said: "...so within a few days we'll know more or less what Lufthansa means with "turnaround plan for Brussels Airlines"...

Their annual account is much more then just figures. They explain why a result is very good or very bad. Example: the loss from the refused insurance payout for the 22/03/2016 attacks was in the 2017 account.
'Turnaround plan' heavily implies things currently aren't too great (if they were, what exactly would you be turning around?)...

So while they may give an indication about why the results aren't fantastic, I wouldn't expect much with regards to there being any indication of the way forward!

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