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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Magiktrix » 31 Mar 2019, 14:15

sn26567 wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 11:22
Duke wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 11:04
Will the SN A-330's operating in Eurowings colours on Brussels Airlines routes also have the Premium Economy cabin?
Yes
Not sure but i think SFB still has is Cathay cabin.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by SNbusdriver » 31 Mar 2019, 14:32

Magiktrix wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 14:15
sn26567 wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 11:22
Duke wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 11:04
Will the SN A-330's operating in Eurowings colours on Brussels Airlines routes also have the Premium Economy cabin?
Yes
Not sure but i think SFB still has is Cathay cabin.
Correct

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Duke » 03 Apr 2019, 10:55

Magiktrix wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 14:15
Not sure but i think SFB still has is Cathay cabin.
What happens then to passengers that booked a flight in the Premium Economy cabin?
Must be quite confusing...

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by DeltaWiskey » 03 Apr 2019, 11:18

Duke wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 10:55
Magiktrix wrote:
31 Mar 2019, 14:15
Not sure but i think SFB still has is Cathay cabin.
What happens then to passengers that booked a flight in the Premium Economy cabin?
Must be quite confusing...

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SFB has a 3 class layout. if i remember well, its current config is 16C/21PY/255Y

There are many complaints about the interior of ex-SIA and ex-CX aircraft. It was never the plan to fly so extensively with these birds with the old cabin. The delay of refitting the new cabin of the 7 SIA/CX aircraft (due to certification issues) has forced SN to start operating with the newer birds "as is" as they had to return the old birds to the lessors, it was not possible to extend these leases due to contractual grounds.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Duke » 03 Apr 2019, 12:30

DeltaWiskey wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 11:18

There are many complaints about the interior of ex-SIA and ex-CX aircraft. It was never the plan to fly so extensively with these birds with the old cabin. The delay of refitting the new cabin of the 7 SIA/CX aircraft (due to certification issues) has forced SN to start operating with the newer birds "as is" as they had to return the old birds to the lessors, it was not possible to extend these leases due to contractual grounds.
Certainly not a good way to compete with AF on the Africa routes, as AF is refurbishing its A 330's with a new interior...
And LH still pretends to make SN its "centre of excellence" for Africa?

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Apr 2019, 20:34

United Airlines applies to provide codeshare services on flights operated by Eurowings Europe (Austria) to points neither in open-skies countries nor listed in United’s certificate. United will place its code on the wet-lease flights, pending approvals.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by DeltaWiskey » 03 Apr 2019, 21:26

Duke wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 12:30
Certainly not a good way to compete with AF on the Africa routes, as AF is refurbishing its A 330's with a new interior...
Like I said, it was never intended to operate with the old cabins of CX and SIA. It is a last resort option in order to avoid cancelling 6 long haul flights a day (or operate wet leases with even worse cabins and/or crews).

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 08 Apr 2019, 21:19

Eurowings to introduce several new summer destinations from Stuttgart, Nuremberg and Munich.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nd-munich/

Eurowings plans to introduce Dusseldorf – Gdansk on 27 October 2019 with A319/A320 aircraft.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 19 Apr 2019, 23:16

Czech Airlines requests a blanket statement of authorisation permitting it to display United Airlines “UA*” designator code on flights operated by CSA on a wet-lease basis on behalf of Eurowings.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 May 2019, 23:03

Eurowings plans routes from Hamburg to Monastir and Tunis, respectively in May and June 2019, with A319 operated by Germanwings.

Eurowings also plans a Hannover – Monastir route from 15 May 2019, similarly with A319 operated by Germanwings.

Eurowings will cooperate with other airlines and connect networks, beginning with SunExpress (Turkey) and Norwegian: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nnections/
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 04 May 2019, 13:41

sn26567 wrote:
03 May 2019, 23:03

Eurowings will cooperate with other airlines and connect networks, beginning with SunExpress (Turkey) and Norwegian: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nnections/
Funny, knowing Eurowings is a "POINT to POINT" company... :lol:

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 04 May 2019, 14:55

nordikcam wrote:
04 May 2019, 13:41
sn26567 wrote:
03 May 2019, 23:03

Eurowings will cooperate with other airlines and connect networks, beginning with SunExpress (Turkey) and Norwegian: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nnections/
Funny, knowing Eurowings is a "POINT to POINT" company... :lol:
Mind you: they have abandoned their point-to-point characterisation more than one year ago. And they need feeder flights for their long-haul network out of Dusseldorf and Munich.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by flightlover » 04 May 2019, 16:59

In a twisted way, you might also say EW is being integrated in SN :twisted:

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 04 May 2019, 17:31

flightlover wrote:
04 May 2019, 16:59
In a twisted way, you might also say EW is being integrated in SN :twisted:
Thorsten Dirks, the CEO of Eurowings, once told me: it's not an integration, it's a cooperation!
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by nordikcam » 04 May 2019, 21:32

sn26567 wrote:
04 May 2019, 14:55
nordikcam wrote:
04 May 2019, 13:41
sn26567 wrote:
03 May 2019, 23:03

Eurowings will cooperate with other airlines and connect networks, beginning with SunExpress (Turkey) and Norwegian: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nnections/
Funny, knowing Eurowings is a "POINT to POINT" company... :lol:
Mind you: they have abandoned their point-to-point characterisation more than one year ago. And they need feeder flights for their long-haul network out of Dusseldorf and Munich.
LH communicates each month and distinguishes finely from one side LH / OS and LX who work with connecting passengers and the other EW / SN who were only able to take passengers from point A to point B. LH now demonstrates that their initial plans are a real fiasco ...! Germans are not recognized as capable of recognizing that they can go astray ...! And now ? EW absorbs SN, remains unprofitable and a CA asks C.Spohr to stop costs?

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 04 May 2019, 23:13

nordikcam wrote:
04 May 2019, 21:32
And now ? EW absorbs SN, remains unprofitable and a CA asks C.Spohr to stop costs?
SN continues to publish separate financial figures. Not publicly, but in May they will appear in the Moniteur Belge/Belgisch Staatsblad. And Spohr considers EW as his child, hence he will not easily abandon it. Besides, Christina Foerster told me on Thursday that she expected positive figures for SN by year end: that should please Herr Spohr!
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by RoMax » 04 May 2019, 23:30

Does anyone realise the hypocrisy of their statements on the point-2-point vs. hub/network model?

So an airline pursuing a P2P network strategy by definition ONLY carries pax from A to B, never A to B via C?
So then a hub network strategy must mean that ALL pax fly A to B via C, right? Bullshit? Not more as saying that in a P2P focussed strategy you can't have transfer pax.

Of course you have the most extreme form of a P2P model where there is 0 connectivity provided by the airline itself (but even then you still have so-called self-connectivity if the network has sufficient mass, airports like LGW, MXP, etc. even actively support self-connectivity through their own connectivity programs), but the vast majority of the P2P carriers these days provide at least some sort of connectivity.

Eurowings's network doesn't have 'connectivity by design', but due to the size of their network in particular at their biggest cases there are plenty of occasional connectivity opportunities. They've always sold them as such. They also have codeshares with LH/LX/OS/SN since years as well as with AC, NH, SQ and UA in particular for DUS. Yes with limitations because their LCC type of IT systems don't offer the same freedom in codeshares, etc. as legacy systems, but also there steps are being made as more and more LCC's get into the business of interlining/codesharing/connecting. In particular for long haul flights of course also EW needs connectivity.

BRU is the largest single operating base in the Eurowings Group network with about half of EWG's long haul fleet based there. LH has never ever denied the need for connecting traffic on the long haul network, the Africa network stands or falls with connectivity and the North Atlantic routes also play a key role in that.

SN's network lies closer to that of the network carriers in the group, but doesn't have the same level of connectivity, in particular on the short haul part of the network. Eurowings on the other hand is much more P2P focussed, but also offers connectivity to some extent and in particular at DUS and there where they connect with other LHG hubs. Neither of them is a pure hub carrier nor a pure P2P carrier. Both have hybrid networks and will continue like that.

It's just LHG that decides that their corporate communication strategy should make a clear distinction between the two pillars of the airline group and they do that by talking about the network airlines LH/LX/OS and point-2-point Eurowings Group.
With lots of simplistic and emotional reactions as a result, but just like LH/LX/OS don't have 100% transfer pax, neither does EW Group have 100% P2P traffic (and it will never have or wants to have).

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by convair » 05 May 2019, 00:10

RoMax wrote:
04 May 2019, 23:30
Does anyone realise the hypocrisy of their statements on the point-2-point vs. hub/network model?

So an airline pursuing a P2P network strategy by definition ONLY carries pax from A to B, never A to B via C?
So then a hub network strategy must mean that ALL pax fly A to B via C, right? Bullshit? Not more as saying that in a P2P focussed strategy you can't have transfer pax.

Of course you have the most extreme form of a P2P model where there is 0 connectivity provided by the airline itself (but even then you still have so-called self-connectivity if the network has sufficient mass, airports like LGW, MXP, etc. even actively support self-connectivity through their own connectivity programs), but the vast majority of the P2P carriers these days provide at least some sort of connectivity.

Eurowings's network doesn't have 'connectivity by design', but due to the size of their network in particular at their biggest cases there are plenty of occasional connectivity opportunities. They've always sold them as such. They also have codeshares with LH/LX/OS/SN since years as well as with AC, NH, SQ and UA in particular for DUS. Yes with limitations because their LCC type of IT systems don't offer the same freedom in codeshares, etc. as legacy systems, but also there steps are being made as more and more LCC's get into the business of interlining/codesharing/connecting. In particular for long haul flights of course also EW needs connectivity.

BRU is the largest single operating base in the Eurowings Group network with about half of EWG's long haul fleet based there. LH has never ever denied the need for connecting traffic on the long haul network, the Africa network stands or falls with connectivity and the North Atlantic routes also play a key role in that.

SN's network lies closer to that of the network carriers in the group, but doesn't have the same level of connectivity, in particular on the short haul part of the network. Eurowings on the other hand is much more P2P focussed, but also offers connectivity to some extent and in particular at DUS and there where they connect with other LHG hubs. Neither of them is a pure hub carrier nor a pure P2P carrier. Both have hybrid networks and will continue like that.

It's just LHG that decides that their corporate communication strategy should make a clear distinction between the two pillars of the airline group and they do that by talking about the network airlines LH/LX/OS and point-2-point Eurowings Group.
With lots of simplistic and emotional reactions as a result, but just like LH/LX/OS don't have 100% transfer pax, neither does EW Group have 100% P2P traffic (and it will never have or wants to have).
Good summary of the real situation but will anyone dare to tell CS? :lol:

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by RoMax » 05 May 2019, 00:45

convair wrote:
05 May 2019, 00:10
Good summary of the real situation but will anyone dare to tell CS? :lol:
It was more as a reaction on the dramatic comments here of people that refuse to understand that also in a P2P focussed network strategy it's perfectly possible to offer connectivity, to codeshare with other airlines, etc.

The LH corporate communication is indeed very black and white which doesn't fully reflect reality, but ok that's their choice. The consumer doesn't decide on its next travel plans on the basis of airline corporate communication, but on what they can find on ticketing websites, what their travel agents proposes (and they perfectly know that EWG offers connectivity), etc.

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