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I guess CS will keep in Eurowings whatever is profitable for them. If they have enough passengers to make DUS-EWR/JFK profitable, that route will stay. And if it's with cheaper SN-crew (cheaper than LH-crew), it's even more profitable.
And you can't blame him: why ditch those customers and leave the market open for competitiors...

Don't forget DUS is about the only, and certainly the biggest airport in Nordrhein-Westfalen: an area slightly bigger than Belgium, but with 50% more inhabitants. From this area to FRA or MUC is comparable to Belgian passengers going to AMS or CDG for flights.
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So there IS a market for locals flying from DUS to... wherever. It would be crazy to demand more destinations from BRU, but assuming DUS would only be for European destinations for Eurowings. The only thing that would make more sense than keeping Eurowings-flights DUS-NewYork, would be to make those flights LH-flights. But that might make it more expensive (crew-wise), or more complicated (big bases at FRA, MUC, and a smaller one at DUS?).

And besides: if travellers from around DUS go on holidays or a business trip to Barcelona, they use a point-to-point airline, and when going on a citytrip or business trip to New York, they use a point-to-point airline as well... Maybe for such a destination (much more Point-to-point compared to connecting passengers), the differences with the other Eurowings routes are smaller than the differences with LH. Why should a flight to Egypt, Tunisia or Iceland be Eurowings, and a flight to the USA not?

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I ask for clarification from Brussels Airlines PR. In fact, Eurowings will keep (and even strengthen) long-haul activities. But the "commercial responsibility" (whatever that means) for these flights will be transferred to network airlines. Flights from DUS will be operated by Brussels Airlines, flights from Frankfurt and Munich by SunExpress.

Thus nothing changes for SN at DUS.
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sn26567 wrote: 08 Aug 2019, 11:05 ... ... But the "commercial responsibility" (whatever that means) ... ...
The unbiased German tourism newssite answered your "whatever that means", when they reported unbiased about the LH/EW/SN reshuffle: "...Carsten Spohr explained that Lufthansa will take over commercial management of Eurowings’ long-haul operations. The subsidiary will continue to operate these flights as it has a lower cost base, but the parent company will be responsible for sales and marketing, as well as network planning..."

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Passenger wrote: 08 Aug 2019, 11:29The subsidiary will continue to operate these flights as it has a lower cost base, but the parent company will be responsible for sales and marketing, as well as network planning..."[/i]
This is a wrong interpretation: the subsidiary does not have any long-haul aircraft and thus relies on Brussels Airlines and SunExpress to operate the flights. On a lower cost base than Lufthansa, that's true!
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I could be completely wrong of course, but the way I understand it, Eurowings (the working airline) folds back to what it used to be: a sort of Germanwings with a couple of bases outside of Germany too.

Next to that Lufthansa are going to use Eurowings (just the brand) to market new intercontinental flights from its hubs which it does not want to sell under its own name because these routes, the product or the schedules are not up to the standards of their brand...

As Eurowings doesn't have the tools for those kind of thin and few intercontinental flights (planes, crews, back office) nor will it invest in it as it's simply not an efficient use of their financial resources, it will simply source those from third parties like B.air or Sun Express Air.

In short: the brand Eurowings is thus franchisable to Lufthansa (and probably others in future too?) on the intercontinental front in order to allow those network airlines to expand their hub function with the types of flights which are not possible to run under their own brand for various reasons, all without having to put their name on an external wetlease and thus dilute their product.

Not convinced the name and reputation of Eurowings is of very high value, but ok: Lufthansa seems to be convinced it does carry some value over setting up something completely new for this specific kind of operations, like IAG has done with its brand LEVEL, which is also kept apart from Vueling, up to the name even: the later is the main difference vs what we see being done here.

A move to a real holding structure for the Lufthansa Group like IAG has would definitely do them well, because their organisational setup without a central holding entity (Lufthansa is both that entity AND a pilar at the same time) produces these kind of complicated setups... Under a holding setup, Lufthansa could more easily create a seperate long haul airline to the image of LEVEL which would heavily rely on the central entiry's overhead and decomplex complicated setup like these where Lufthansa wants to open certain routes (but can't), and solves it by selling them under the name of a subsidiary of theirs who sadly can't run them, and who needs to source material from yet another airline for it… all of the 3 come with overhead of course!

Anyway, I understand it's currently under consideration, and rightfully so: Lufthansa (the airline) needs to fold back to being just that: a pilar under a holding company which centralises all the central overhead.

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Maybe they looked at Edelweiss / Swiss...
Tourist routes are flown by Edelweiss but Swiss codeshares on them as well...

So this summer I flew ZRH-OLB with a Swiss ticked on an Edelweiss flight... operated by Swiss! ;-)

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I don't think LH/CS minds having SN in its portfolio. As long as they're profitable, and that's what we hear most now: make money. With SN being part of the LH group, LH has control over routes flown, and a big impact on BRU, so that's a good way to prevent another player becoming a threat to LH.

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Eurowings adds Pristina – Vienna service from November 2019

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The route will be operated by Eurowings Europe (Austria) A319.
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So the Ansett member predicts CS will sell SN ...one day... but to whom?
And the PttU member thinks that LH only keeps SN ...making money...so that another operator does not land at BRU and threatens LH!
Two opposing strategies ...two strategies that do not help the development of BRU...

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nordikcam wrote: 09 Aug 2019, 11:24 So the Ansett member predicts CS will sell SN ...one day... but to whom?
And the PttU member thinks that LH only keeps SN ...making money...so that another operator does not land at BRU and threatens LH!
Two opposing strategies ...two strategies that do not help the development of BRU...
Not necessarily opposing: when SN isn't profitable for LH, I don't know what they will do: a little bit of loss-making might be the cost of keeping competition at bay, but how much?

And no, those strategies do not help the development of BRU, but that's not of any concern to LH.

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sn26567 wrote: 08 Aug 2019, 11:05 Eurowings will keep (and even strengthen) long-haul activities. But the "commercial responsibility" for these flights will be transferred to network airlines. Flights from DUS will be operated by Brussels Airlines, flights from Frankfurt and Munich by SunExpress.

Thus nothing changes for SN at DUS.
Nothing changes, except that the two A340s will be replaced by A330s, a process that has already started for one of them.

The long-haul future for Eurowings with 11 A330s is explained hereunder:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... a330-type/
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Ansett wrote: 08 Aug 2019, 23:57
Next move from LH/CS ? (sell SN).
To ? Qatar ? IAG Group ?

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PttU wrote: 09 Aug 2019, 11:34
nordikcam wrote: 09 Aug 2019, 11:24 So the Ansett member predicts CS will sell SN ...one day... but to whom?
And the PttU member thinks that LH only keeps SN ...making money...so that another operator does not land at BRU and threatens LH!
Two opposing strategies ...two strategies that do not help the development of BRU...
Not necessarily opposing: when SN isn't profitable for LH, I don't know what they will do: a little bit of loss-making might be the cost of keeping competition at bay, but how much?

And no, those strategies do not help the development of BRU, but that's not of any concern to LH.
You're right, LH doesn't care about BRU, but BAC does and they could prospect outside SN, LH or even the entire Star Alliance. BAC doesn't care about LH accept for them (or subsidiary SN) bringing in pax and revenue. And basicly BAC doesn't care where that revenue is coming from. I can imagine LH doesn't want to give up on a pretty nice market just outside Germany, nor do they want to open up their west flank to competitors. And on top of that I can imagine UA as both a Star Alliance and A++ partner - being a Star big shot as well - would like to risk jeopardizing a pretty lucrative BRU operation as well.

So all in all I don't believe LH would just give up on BRU but SN has to up its game.

Rumours have it SN will remain an 'in between' airline having to many leisure ops to be considered a full premium airline but to much of a network portfolio to be considered low cost.

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Austrian to codeshare on Eurowings' planned routes in 2020: Frankfurt – Anchorage, Frankfurt – Phoenix, Munich – Las Vegas, Munich – Orlando

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Eurowings to fly the A330 on a German domestic route

Eurowings will deploy an Airbus A330 between Munich and Dusseldorf once a week for the next ten weeks. The background is capacity bottlenecks at the maintenance location in Munich, where the aircraft actually go into maintenance.

"To increase the economic efficiency of these flights, they take place as normal scheduled flights and can be booked normally," the airline continues. A spokesman said that "the flights are booked very neatly."

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Eurowings abandons Berlin-London route

Eurowings will no longer offer the route between Berlin-Tegel and London-Heathrow at the beginning of the winter timetable. A spokeswoman said that the deletion was due to lack of cost-effectiveness. Eurowings serves the route twice a day.

Strange! One would think that a route between two major European capitals would be a hit. Maybe travellers prefer BA?
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Eurowings to launch services from Stuttgart to Florence and Malta on 01 June 2020 with DHC 8-400 and A319.
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Austrian Airlines and Eurowings are repositioning themselves in Austria and reinforce their cooperation. The common goal is to strengthen the Vienna hub and expand decentralised traffic from the Austrian federal states.

Austrian will take over several Eurowings routes from Vienna, including Barcelona, Rome, Nuremberg, Birmingham, Zadar.

It makes the rumoured base closure of Eurowings in Vienna even more likely.
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Eurowings plans Dusseldorf – Verona route form 31 March 2020 with Q400 operated by LGW.

Eurowings to launch service from Hamburg to Larnaca from 16 May 2020, with A320.
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sn26567 wrote: 01 Nov 2019, 22:39 Eurowings plans Dusseldorf – Verona route form 31 March 2020 with Q400 operated by LGW.

Eurowings to launch service from Hamburg to Larnaca from 16 May 2020, with A320.
Instead of echoing all the press releases, it would also be interesting to know which routes are axed. Eurowings is restructuring (and shrinking) heavily but none of this is reflected in this topic.

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