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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by A321Lufthansa » 02 Dec 2019, 08:31

sn26567 wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 17:43
nordikcam wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 12:31
sn26567 wrote:
30 Nov 2019, 17:25
Lufthansa to replace Eurowings in low-cost long-haul flights by a new brand as from 2020.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... long-haul/
A sentence questions me in the article. Long-haul traffic would be transferred from DUS to FRA and MUC. Would the 4 registered OO aircraft operated by SN remain based at DUS to insure 4 daily long haul under the name of the new LH "low cost"? Or DUS could loose all long haul flights ? Thx.
As I understand it, DUS ill keep some long-haul flights, but most of them will depart from FRA and MUC, where they can benefit from many more feeder flights than from DUS.

Some rumours are already leaking on who will operate the new long-haul flights of the new long-haul low-cost subsidiary:
  • LH Cityline, which has a few A340s, but high operating costs
  • SN and SunExpress, as is already the case now
  • A completely new AOC
  • And the surprise of the chef: Germanwings!
I wrote "rumours"...
CL is the least possible variant as its remaining 4 A343s are likely to be transferred back to LH in the spring. 3 of them will be repainted into standard LH colors.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Darjeeling » 02 Dec 2019, 11:18

Airbus330lover wrote:
30 Nov 2019, 22:55
Perhaps the moment to send back the A330 to SN. And end of DUS
The base of the long-haul fleet of SN is ten A330 (two -200 and eight -300 when SFU will be replaced by SFH currently in cabin works straight from HK to AMM). That's the fleet needed to operate the current schedule (let's say the peak of the summer 2020 ops) and everyone knows here that there are more chances that SN is to terminate some routes instead of opening new ones in 2020-21.

The four remaining A330-300 (K/L/P/J) are the ex-Lufthansa ones that won't get any retrofit (my understanding) and are meant to operate exclusively for EW (unless operational mayhem...). These four birds would inevitably leave SN's "books" if the EW/SN adventure is called off. A transfer of licence / registration / AOC is rather an easy thing to do for LH Group (at least easier than with Belgian CAA...).

I think that the new entity will merge SunExpress and Brussels Airlines "On behalf of Eurowings" into one new operator with one new brand (at the lowest cost...). It's not excluded that SN is going to win the tender, but I don't see that many crew bidding to commute with FRA and MUC in the long-term...

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 02 Dec 2019, 17:23

Currently, the long-haul Eurowings flights are operated by three different airlines: SunExpress, Brussels Airlines and CityLine. In an article of Handelsblatt today, Spohr says that by 2022 this will be consolidated into a single airline. The example to follow is Edelweiss. Methinks that it will not be SN....
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Poiu » 03 Dec 2019, 08:10

The restructuration of Eurowings in DUS, remember the original plan was a 40 aircraft hub and spoke base, shows that hub and spoke at secondary airports is not a walk in the park.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by convair » 03 Dec 2019, 11:03

sn26567 wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 17:23
Currently, the long-haul Eurowings flights are operated by three different airlines: SunExpress, Brussels Airlines and CityLine. In an article of Handelsblatt today, Spohr says that by 2022 this will be consolidated into a single airline. The example to follow is Edelweiss. Methinks that it will not be SN....
Of course it won't be SN: the flights will be operated mostly from FRA and MUC; how could LH possibly tolerate that?

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Dec 2019, 12:09

Thorsten Dirks is fired from Eurowings. The airline will be managed independently in the same way as the other Lufthansa Group airlines:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... lufthansa/
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by A321Lufthansa » 03 Dec 2019, 14:18

sn26567 wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 17:23
Currently, the long-haul Eurowings flights are operated by three different airlines: SunExpress, Brussels Airlines and CityLine. In an article of Handelsblatt today, Spohr says that by 2022 this will be consolidated into a single airline. The example to follow is Edelweiss. Methinks that it will not be SN....
Where does CityLine operate flights for EW?

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 05 Dec 2019, 10:24

Austrian Airlines will wet-lease four A320 aircraft from Eurowings Europe from 1 January 2020 to serve routes from Vienna.

http://m.atwonline.com/leasing/austrian ... e-contract
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Inquirer » 06 Dec 2019, 10:03

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... -schedule/

Interesting reading, not so much when it comes to the destinations and their schedules, but rather the framing: 'the Lufthansa group' and even 'lufthansa proper' are abundantly mentioned, with the flights merely 'operated by Eurowings'.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 06 Dec 2019, 10:19

Inquirer wrote:
06 Dec 2019, 10:03
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... -schedule/

Interesting reading, not so much when it comes to the destinations and their schedules, but rather the framing: 'the Lufthansa group' and even 'lufthansa proper' are abundantly mentioned, with the flights merely 'operated by Eurowings'.
Lufthansa took over the sale of ALL Eurowings long-haul flights and increased the prices. The planes are still configured in Eurowings layout (more economy seats, fewer business seats), but Lufthansa clearly took the pilot's seat.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Aerofool » 06 Dec 2019, 10:55

Inquirer wrote:
06 Dec 2019, 10:03
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... -schedule/

Interesting reading, not so much when it comes to the destinations and their schedules, but rather the framing: 'the Lufthansa group' and even 'lufthansa proper' are abundantly mentioned, with the flights merely 'operated by Eurowings'.

And in fact they are operated by Brussels Airlines.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 09 Dec 2019, 22:56

SunExpress Germany plans to drop its long-haul routes in 2021, which are operated for Eurowings. The seven A330-200s will exit the fleet as a result, and maybe will be transferred to Lufthansa CityLine, who is expected to take six A330s soon.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by DeltaWiskey » 10 Dec 2019, 05:56

What is the source?

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Poiu » 10 Dec 2019, 07:16

sn26567 wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 22:56
SunExpress Germany plans to drop its long-haul routes in 2021, which are operated by Eurowings.
It’s the opposite: Eurowings flights operated by SunExpress.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 10 Dec 2019, 16:22

DeltaWiskey wrote:
10 Dec 2019, 05:56
What is the source?
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Poiu wrote:
10 Dec 2019, 07:16
sn26567 wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 22:56
SunExpress Germany plans to drop its long-haul routes in 2021, which are operated by Eurowings.
It’s the opposite: Eurowings flights operated by SunExpress.
Indeed. My mistake: I wrote "by" instead of "for".
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