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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by convair » 05 May 2019, 15:01

RoMax wrote:
05 May 2019, 00:45
convair wrote:
05 May 2019, 00:10
Good summary of the real situation but will anyone dare to tell CS? :lol:
The LH corporate communication is indeed very black and white which doesn't fully reflect reality, but ok that's their choice. The consumer doesn't decide on its next travel plans on the basis of airline corporate communication, but on what they can find on ticketing websites, what their travel agents proposes (and they perfectly know that EWG offers connectivity), etc.
True from the pax viewpoint. But I think most of the reactions posted here, besides those of some SN fans, are from people directly or indirectly involved with SN; they probably feel they have been unjustly and unnecessarily "downgraded" to an LCC company, and that is surely not very good for their motivation. LH Group/CS doesn't seem to care much about that! :(

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Post by nordikcam » 05 May 2019, 15:28

convair wrote:
05 May 2019, 15:01
RoMax wrote:
05 May 2019, 00:45
convair wrote:
05 May 2019, 00:10
Good summary of the real situation but will anyone dare to tell CS? :lol:
The LH corporate communication is indeed very black and white which doesn't fully reflect reality, but ok that's their choice. The consumer doesn't decide on its next travel plans on the basis of airline corporate communication, but on what they can find on ticketing websites, what their travel agents proposes (and they perfectly know that EWG offers connectivity), etc.
True from the pax viewpoint. But I think most of the reactions posted here, besides those of some SN fans, are from people directly or indirectly involved with SN; they probably feel they have been unjustly and unnecessarily "downgraded" to an LCC company, and that is surely not very good for their motivation. LH Group/CS doesn't seem to care much about that! :(
I'm not SN fan, I'm not professionnal in the aviation world, I appreciated and appreciate SN and I'm passenger. As a passenger, I do not want to know if EW has hubs to do this or that connection, I do not want to fly low-cost, I want to have the services that give me the traditional companies. And so ... as a passenger, exit EW and SN by ricochet, exit FRA or MUC ... badly done for the first, too to the east for the second and have on hand KL and AMS or AF and CDG for the services. MAD also when South America there is ...Bad luck for BRU...and for SN by ricochet... :cry:

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Ansett » 05 May 2019, 16:15

What's the meaning behind this ? Are CS/TD contradicting themselves ? EW not doing as expected and looking for "virtual" partners to get more pax ? Or has anyone a different interpretation ?

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nnections/

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 05 May 2019, 17:57

Ansett wrote:
05 May 2019, 16:15
What's the meaning behind this ? Are CS/TD contradicting themselves ? EW not doing as expected and looking for "virtual" partners to get more pax ? Or has anyone a different interpretation ?

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nnections/
Ryanair and easyJet are also looking for partners. It looks like a trend among LCCs, a way to compete effectively against legacy carriers. But Ryanair and easyJet are LCCs on their own, whereas EW is part of the LH Group, and for that matter, I cannot understand why EW is competing with its parent LH on the TXL-MUC route, for example.

https://www.aviation24.be/airports/muni ... a-service/
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 06 May 2019, 19:06

In today’s meeting, the Supervisory Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG decided ahead of schedule to extend the contract with Thorsten Dirks by three years until 30 April 2023. Dirks, 55, will, therefore, be continuing the turnaround of Eurowings as CEO.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... ore-years/

... thanks to the good results of Eurowings during 1Q2019 :?
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by cathay belgium » 06 May 2019, 19:56

Ja,

Guess TD is a good slave of CS 😂

Follow your master, he knows what happens if he don't kiss his ass... Like Gustin :)

So far for good german leadership, make losses and stay, make a Future and leave...

Poor SN...

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 22 May 2019, 19:55

Communication is an art ....


Screenshot 2019-05-18 20.33.05.png

High class, really appealing. Not.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 22 May 2019, 20:23

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
22 May 2019, 19:55
Communication is an art ....

High class, really appealing. Not.

H.A.
The yellow touch that the new Lufthansa livery has lost! :lol:
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Ansett » 22 May 2019, 23:07

EW will pamper you !

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 23 May 2019, 12:23

Eurowings plans additional routes to Turkey, mainly from Cologne and Hamburg, with germanwings A319s or A320s. Routes begin in late May 2019 and include Ankara, Kayseri, Kutahya, and Adana.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 08 Jun 2019, 17:08

Eurowings to launch Cologne – Arvidsjaur route with A320 from 17 January 2020 on a seasonal basis.

Arvidsjaur? A small city in Lapland, Sweden.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 11 Jun 2019, 16:46

Eurowings plans to resume Hamburg – Oslo route from 27 October 2019, with A319 and A320.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 18 Jun 2019, 12:00

Eurowings is not competitive

Doomsday rhetoric would be exaggerated given the Lufthansa profit warning. Nevertheless, one thing is clear: Eurowings works too cumbersome and too expensive to compete with low-cost airlines such as Ryanair or Easyjet in direct competition, analyses the "Manager Magazin" (in German).

https://www.manager-magazin.de/unterneh ... 72848.html

Pity to see Brussels Airlines onboard that venture!
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 18 Jun 2019, 12:20

What the profit warning of Lufthansa doesn't say

A comment by Michael Machatschke


Carsten Spohr wanted to be nice to the investors. The current profit warning of the Lufthansa chief sounds in places like a success story. There is talk of a "strong long-haul business" and the intention to defend the Group's "leading position" in its home markets. So tuned, the story is made for investors to better accept that the profit will be significantly lower than previously planned, and the stock drops sharply.

In fact, it would be exaggerated to fall into Doomsday rhetoric. Two billion euros pre-tax profit - the now lower target issued - would have been enough to cheer a few years ago in the headquarters of Lufthansa. The profits of virtually all airlines are currently declining. After fantastic years, the industry now has to settle for less good, but certainly not catastrophic figures.

And yet there is something alarming in the profit warning. Lufthansa is obviously in a huge mess with its subsidiary Eurowings - but is unable to address the problem openly and offer convincing answers.

Who is to blame for the misery in the European business and thus the loss of Lufthansa? Spohr's bulletin points to the others: "Aggressive competitors are willing to accept significant losses to grow their market share." The other way around, one gets closer to the truth: the Lufthansa spin-off Eurowings works too cumbersome and too expensive to compete directly with low-cost airlines such as Ryanair or EasyJet.

Actually, Eurowings should finally have made a profit this year. It will not work out again. And the Lufthansa strategists have to ask themselves whether something is fundamentally wrong with the Eurowings brand.

It is undeniable that many gross calculations speak for the second platform of Lufthansa. Only the internal competition has made it possible for Group CEO Carsten Spohr to remain tough in the dispute with the pilots, according to the formula: If you do not give in, then growth is only possible with Eurowings! And only thanks to Eurowings Lufthansa could really benefit from the bankruptcy of the blissful competitor Air Berlin. In the classic Lufthansa line, it could hardly accommodate the Air Berlin planes and their routes.

But with all its added value, the main purpose of Eurowings has come too short: to offer easy, reliable and highly efficient flights in Germany and Europe. Eurowings is still a jumble of different airlines and business models under one roof, including intercontinental flights. Currently, the Belgian Brussels Airlines - the specialist for Africa traffic - is also to be integrated. This has nothing to do with a slender low-cost airline, and this is also evident in the reliability. In the chaos summer of last year with many enervating flight cancellations and delays, Eurowings took an inglorious top position.

In the meantime, management has counteracted and, among other things, provided more replacement aircraft. However, this further increases the cost and does not fix the built-in inefficiencies.

In many other companies, a comparable situation would start a discussion about the relevant division manager, in this case, Lufthansa Executive Board member and Eurowings boss Thorsten Dirks. He seems to have enough backing, his contract was recently extended. It could be tight for him anyway. Because the supply of excuses disappears. The integration of the Air Berlin remnants should be completed sometime.

And the myth that sinister Desperados ruin the market, even with lively repetition, is not credible. Only one thing will help Dirks like Spohr: an honest stocktaking and massive reforms.
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by convair » 18 Jun 2019, 13:24

It is becoming urgent that the performance of SN, isolated from that of EW, be well identified. Kristina Foerster's role and duty as CEO is to defend her own airline within the LH group.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Poiu » 18 Jun 2019, 14:08

convair wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 13:24
It is becoming urgent that the performance of SN, isolated from that of EW, be well identified. Kristina Foerster's role and duty as CEO is to defend her own airline within the LH group.
To achieve what?
Brussels Airlines is not doing well, the results are not as bad as the rest of Eurowings, but not good at all. Also don’t forget that the EW long haul by SN is a form of money transfer from one unit to another within the same company. If that transfer r stops the results in Brussels will be worse.
Eurowings is losing money, BUT, at the same time, they are preventing Ryan, Ezy and other Wizzes to become really big in Germany, the loss that generates is probably a price worth to pay.

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by convair » 18 Jun 2019, 17:21

Poiu wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 14:08
convair wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 13:24
It is becoming urgent that the performance of SN, isolated from that of EW, be well identified. Kristina Foerster's role and duty as CEO is to defend her own airline within the LH group.
To achieve what?
Brussels Airlines is not doing well, the results are not as bad as the rest of Eurowings, but not good at all. Also don’t forget that the EW long haul by SN is a form of money transfer from one unit to another within the same company. If that transfer r stops the results in Brussels will be worse.
Eurowings is losing money, BUT, at the same time, they are preventing Ryan, Ezy and other Wizzes to become really big in Germany, the loss that generates is probably a price worth to pay.
Do you have evidence of that? Are these DUS flights profitable?

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Stij » 18 Jun 2019, 17:32

Poiu wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 14:08
Also don’t forget that the EW long haul by SN is a form of money transfer from one unit to another within the same company. If that transfer r stops the results in Brussels will be worse.
It all depends on the transfer price...

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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 18 Jun 2019, 18:45

convair wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 17:21
Poiu wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 14:08
convair wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 13:24
It is becoming urgent that the performance of SN, isolated from that of EW, be well identified. Kristina Foerster's role and duty as CEO is to defend her own airline within the LH group.
To achieve what?
Brussels Airlines is not doing well, the results are not as bad as the rest of Eurowings, but not good at all. Also don’t forget that the EW long haul by SN is a form of money transfer from one unit to another within the same company. If that transfer r stops the results in Brussels will be worse.
Eurowings is losing money, BUT, at the same time, they are preventing Ryan, Ezy and other Wizzes to become really big in Germany, the loss that generates is probably a price worth to pay.
Do you have evidence of that? Are these DUS flights profitable?
Generally speaking (and it is acknowledged within the LH group), long-haul flights are more profitable than short-haul ones. Hence, SN, which has a higher proportion of long-haul than EW, should be more profitable (or losing less money, if you prefer).
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Re: Eurowings in 2019

Post by Poiu » 18 Jun 2019, 18:56

convair wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 17:21
don’t forget that the EW long haul by SN is a form of money transfer from one unit to another within the same company. If that transfer r stops the results in Brussels will be worse.
Do you have evidence of that? Are these DUS flights profitable?
The profitability of the flights is not relevant!
Ew sells the tickets, SN gets paid for the ACMI, that payment is the same wether the aircraft is full or empty. This has been explained here ad nauseam!

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