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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Passenger » 28 Oct 2018, 18:51

luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 18:14
Still no agreement ...
Thus time to adjust the title into 25-26-27-28-29/10/2018

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 18:58

Spontaneous strike at Aviapartner: the conciliation to the FPS employment failed, according to the CGSLB.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Darjeeling » 28 Oct 2018, 19:07

Boavida wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 16:23
It's time for Laurent Levaux (president Aviapartner Belgium) to go. He clearly isn't competent at all. Maybe it's time for a more Flemish/Northern European style management.
Let me laugh and I hope you are kidding on this one... REALLY. There is no more gesta*** - flemish style company operating out of BRU than Aviapartner (ex Flemish nationalist Belgavia).
It's the Flemish way of management that is put into question for the last 18 years... SN, SNBA, FlightCare, Swissport, Aviapartner, Brussels Airport --> they all have been symbols of mediocrity and incompetence.

Go and spread your deep "vlaams" frustration elsewhere.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 19:11

Already five flights cancelled for tomorrow.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 20:38

Strike to continue on Monday!

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 28 Oct 2018, 20:49

Maybe time to have a look at the global picture.

According to ASA, Airport Services Association, the global ground handling market is estimated to be over $60 billion. €70-90 billion according to a 2016 study to DG MOVE European Commission.

In a world where cash money is plenty and return is low from conventional ways (interest rates, stock exchange), buying a company is an attractive opportunity. Especially in a market that is to continue seeing annual growth of 5% for the foreseeable future.
Big potential to make money; cut the fat and milk the cow, then pump it up and resell to the next one who is interested in a company having high revenues, he will manage better and turn a profit for sure.

Examples (numbers are from a 2015 presentation):

WFS, Worldwide Flight Services, operates at more than 120 airports in 20 countries, has a turnover of about €600 million, 12000 workers.
2001 : Acquired by Vinci Group.
2006 : Sold to LBO France, a Private Equity firm.
2015 : Sold to Platinum Equity, USA.

SwissPort : the largest GH company worldwide, serving airlines at more than 270 stations in 48 countries with an operating revenue of CHF 3.00 billion and a workforce of 55000.
First purchased by the British private equity firm Candover Investments, then sold in 2005 to Ferrovial.
In 2010, Ferrovial sold Swissport for €654 million to the French private equity firm PAI Partners.
In 2015 China's HNA Group acquired Swissport for $2.81 billion.

At the holding company level the shareholders want a two-digit return or else,
at operational level the manager struggles to achieve the goal with the least possible assets to keep his bonus,
the Airline threatens not to renew the handling contract if fees are not lower because passengers are driven by low fares.

So who gives a damn about the Rampie who breaks his back loading bags in the hold of a 73 or the RedCap who runs between stands because he must handle 2 flights simultaneously?

Personally I have never been in favour of a strike, whether I am directly impacted or not, but one should consider the global picture to understand that this GH business is going nowhere with this model.


And btw isn’t Safety First the motto in our industry?
Well for as long as I can buy a cheap ticket and my flight leaves on time of course.
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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Ansett » 28 Oct 2018, 21:27

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 20:49
So who gives a damn about the Rampie who breaks his back loading bags in the hold of a 73 or the RedCap who runs between stands because he must handle 2 flights simultaneously?
Very good analysis, Homo Aeroportus.
I don't condone wildcat strikes, but I admit this time, given the inadmissable working conditions with non or poorly maintained equipment, I will be tolerant. The fact that the strike comes at the beginning of the Autumn holidays and is lasting very long, is a good warning also towards swissport and other ground handling companies that might operate one day at BRU. I don't feel sorry for the pax affected by the strike. It is included in the price to pay for low tickets. Btw I was affected, too. No prob. I understand.
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28 Oct 2018, 09:30
Anyone able to explain Why there are never strikes at Aviapartner Schiphol ?
Dutch mentality. Other trade unions behaviour ("let's try our upmost not to screw the passengers"). No internal competition between trade unions: FNV rules (FNV = Federation of Dutch Trade Unions).
Perhaps that FNV rules, but there are other trade unions, too. It is wrong to believe that the other unions have no say.
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... dpersoneel

As usual, you seem to forget one important "detail" when you write "other trade union behaviour" : also other employers' behaviour.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 21:58

Luk De Wilde: no response from Minister of Mobility Francois Bellot and BAC chairman Marc Descheemaecker over continuing Aviapartner strike and heavily damaged image of Brussels Airport.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Passenger » 28 Oct 2018, 22:38

luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 20:38
Strike to continue on Monday!
Yesterday I have posted pricewaterhouseCoopers' professional comment as company revisor on the annual account 2017: there is no way for Aviapartner to survive, unless the external sources continue with their financial support and unless the recovery plan succeeds.

After five days of strike, it's obvious that the recovery plan cannot be realized. A sad end for the legacy of Mr Verougstraete (the older generation here knows we always called him "mister Verougstraete", never "Alex").

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 22:42

Our Sunday evening item on the current airport crisis:

The Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport will enter day five on Monday, it's still uncertain when the handling agent will resume its operations.

https://www.aviation24.be/ground-handli ... on-monday/

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Re: 25-26-27-28-29/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 22:47

Luk De Wilde tweeted that the other handling agent Swissport was also on the brink of a strike but that strike was called off after negotiations with Swissport management.

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Re: 25-26-27-28-29/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by TLspotting » 28 Oct 2018, 23:02

luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 22:47
Luk De Wilde tweeted that the other handling agent Swissport was also on the brink of a strike but that strike was called off after negotiations with Swissport management.
I'm heading to Warsaw tomorrow... Huh mayday?
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Re: 25-26-27-28-29/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by luchtzak » 28 Oct 2018, 23:18

TLspotting wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 23:02
I'm heading to Warsaw tomorrow... Huh mayday?
Have you completely read https://www.aviation24.be/ground-handli ... on-monday/ ?

If you are travelling with LOT or SN there isn't a single worry!

https://www.brusselsairport.be/en/passe ... w&iata=WAW

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by 737MAX » 29 Oct 2018, 11:16

luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 19:11
Already five flights cancelled for tomorrow.
And while Ryanair cancels their flights out of BRU, TUI takes care of their passengers by diverting their flights to regional airports, with transport included and arranged by TUI themselves...

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Vic Diesel » 29 Oct 2018, 11:38

luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 22:42
Our Sunday evening item on the current airport crisis:

The Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport will enter day five on Monday, it's still uncertain when the handling agent will resume its operations.

https://www.aviation24.be/ground-handli ... on-monday/
As someone already wrote: "I don't condone wildcat strikes..." - just that I won't continue with a "but". A wildcat strike is a wildcat strike: condemnable. Period. What regards working conditions of workers and all the things that are going wrong at Aviapartner: the workers made their point - continuation of the strike won't help a bit. It would just drive the financially already damaged company into total oblivion. If they want to end up unemployed (and with having screwed over thousands of travellers), please do so - but then don't expect endless sympathy for that!
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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by b720 » 29 Oct 2018, 11:57

Vic Diesel wrote:
29 Oct 2018, 11:38
luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 22:42
Our Sunday evening item on the current airport crisis:

The Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport will enter day five on Monday, it's still uncertain when the handling agent will resume its operations.

https://www.aviation24.be/ground-handli ... on-monday/

As someone already wrote: "I don't condone wildcat strikes..." - just that I won't continue with a "but". A wildcat strike is a wildcat strike: condemnable. Period. What regards working conditions of workers and all the things that are going wrong at Aviapartner: the workers made their point - continuation of the strike won't help a bit. It would just drive the financially already damaged company into total oblivion. If they want to end up unemployed (and with having screwed over thousands of travellers), please do so - but then don't expect endless sympathy for that!

Well said

And ZERO sympathy.

Their employer will go bust and they will end up with nothing! Not much sympathy from anyone then..

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by gumblebee » 29 Oct 2018, 12:11

b720 wrote:
29 Oct 2018, 11:57
Their employer will go bust and they will end up with nothing! Not much sympathy from anyone then..
This strike might well end up putting Aviapartner out of its misery, true. Aviapartner customers will still need a handling partner however, and fast. A new handling partner can negotiate new contracts, hopefully at a more realistic pricing level. Most people will keep their jobs. Airplanes will still need to be handled, and there will still be a need for staff with the right knowledge and experience.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by lumumba » 29 Oct 2018, 12:14

Vic Diesel wrote:
29 Oct 2018, 11:38
luchtzak wrote:
28 Oct 2018, 22:42
Our Sunday evening item on the current airport crisis:

The Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport will enter day five on Monday, it's still uncertain when the handling agent will resume its operations.

https://www.aviation24.be/ground-handli ... on-monday/
As someone already wrote: "I don't condone wildcat strikes..." - just that I won't continue with a "but". A wildcat strike is a wildcat strike: condemnable. Period. What regards working conditions of workers and all the things that are going wrong at Aviapartner: the workers made their point - continuation of the strike won't help a bit. It would just drive the financially already damaged company into total oblivion. If they want to end up unemployed (and with having screwed over thousands of travellers), please do so - but then don't expect endless sympathy for that!
They will not stay unemployed,they will find a job very fast in better condition at that level it's not a problem we are missing this type of profile.
If they act like that it's also because there are years of frustration....
And they cheated so long with them that now it's enough I have the impression you don't want to understand that!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Vic Diesel » 29 Oct 2018, 12:20

lumumba wrote:
29 Oct 2018, 12:14
And they cheated so long with them that now it's enough I have the impression you don't want to understand that!
Nope, I don't want to be forced to have sympathy with a wildcat strike of whatever kind. It's against the law. Period.
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Re: 25-26-27-28/10/2018 Aviapartner strike at Brussels Airport

Post by Passenger » 29 Oct 2018, 12:35

lumumba wrote:
29 Oct 2018, 12:14
...
...I have the impression you don't want to understand that!
...
Lumumba, maybe almost all other people here are right? Maybe it's just you who don't want to understand what is going on?

Cumulated loss on 31st December 2017: -24.334.941 €. Do you understand what that means?

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