[Cancelled] Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by Ansett » 22 Aug 2018, 20:13

Stij wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 15:02
Good afternoon,

some members claim their timings are bad... I tend to disagree… I prefer this schedule over the morning departures.

You can complete a (almost) complete working day in Brussels, arrive in the evening on the East Coast, Über to the hotel, double Scotch, to bed and wake up in th early morning and start your working day / vist.

On the way back, you have the whole day to work / visit, go to the airport, have dinner there, hop in the plane and arrive in the afternoon in Belgium, chill a bit, go to bed and start working again the day after.

Back when Sabena had the late evening rotation to JFK, I took it every time... on the outbound and inbound

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You are absolutely right !

There is a market for morning flights to North America, but there is definitely also a market for evening flights, certainly to NYC.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by lumumba » 22 Aug 2018, 20:48

Ansett wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 20:11
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 16:53
Mr Boeing said : "You want it?, We build it !".

According to the current version of the manual, Rev B issued June 2018 :

Pages from 737MAX 201806.jpg


And how to achieve this ?

737MAX 201806_Page_028.jpg


Yes, it says for single-class config : 28" pitch. :mrgreen:

Now this may later be presented by an airline as being about 30" .
Thanks but no thanks.

H.A.

PS : Oh, almost forgot. 3 Lavs. If each Pax uses the loo for 3 minutes that gives an occupancy of 3h40 or half the duration of the flight. A "load factor" of 50% :lol:
This is an example given by an aircraft manufacturer.
In the end, it is each airline which decides on the cabin configuration (seat pitch, type of seats, number of lavatories, size of overhead bins, etc...)

BTW, have a look at seatguru :

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 37-800.php

I hope Primera will install the following configuration for the transatlantic flights (also on the B737-9 MAX) :

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 37-800.php
I hope not I hope they also put premium economy!
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 22 Aug 2018, 20:50

Ansett wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 20:11
I hope Primera will install the following configuration for the transatlantic flights (also on the B737-9 MAX) :

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 37-800.php
OK if you have the 32" pitch (but that's only at the emergency exit rows). Good luck if you have the 29" pitch for 9 hours! And anyway, 17" width is too little. On an Airbus, you have 18".
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 22 Aug 2018, 21:46

A little off topic, but nonetheless interesting: The inaugural Primera Air Scandinavia London Stansted to Washington Dulles service, #PF47, is en-route, with Airbus A321neo OY-PAA.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by Ansett » 22 Aug 2018, 22:41

@ lumumba : sorry, something has gone wrong with the second link I posted. I meant :

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 321neo.php

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by lumumba » 22 Aug 2018, 22:45

Ansett wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 22:41
@ lumumba : sorry, something has gone wrong with the second link I posted. I meant :

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 321neo.php
Yes :D
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by Ansett » 22 Aug 2018, 22:53

sn26567 wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 20:50
Ansett wrote:
22 Aug 2018, 20:11
I hope Primera will install the following configuration for the transatlantic flights (also on the B737-9 MAX) :

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 37-800.php
OK if you have the 32" pitch (but that's only at the emergency exit rows). Good luck if you have the 29" pitch for 9 hours! And anyway, 17" width is too little. On an Airbus, you have 18".
As I said in my previous post, I copied the wrong link.
I should have been :
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 321neo.php
My mistake probably.

And of course, you are right, i.e. a 29 inch seat pitch is unacceptable for a long flight.
However, according to seatguru (if they are right), their planes with this seat pitch are used on European flights.
(see section named "Overview")
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Prime ... 37-800.php

And you are also right about the seat width. I always prefer to fly an A319-320-321 than a B737.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by Ansett » 22 Aug 2018, 23:31

Well, apparently Primera is not really innovating :

Norwegian 737 Bergen-New York : 7h40 (seat pitch starting apparently also at 29")
Gol Brasil 737 Brasilia-Orlando :8h00 (seat pitch apparently 30-32")

(source for seat pitch : seatguru)

https://thepointsguy.com/2018/01/gol-ai ... 737-route/

https://www.norwegian.no/ipc/availabili ... 67&mode=ab

https://compre2.voegol.com.br/Select2.aspx

or Copa B737 : Panama-San Francisco : 7h37 (seat pitch 31")

Of course, two inches more (seriously) make a difference, even if it is only 5 cm.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by domtom » 24 Aug 2018, 09:15

Again, what's the likely impact on Air Belgium's planned services to the US? who knows whether they were looking at Boston, but surely this will increase competition, no?

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 24 Aug 2018, 11:21

domtom wrote:
24 Aug 2018, 09:15
Again, what's the likely impact on Air Belgium's planned services to the US? who knows whether they were looking at Boston, but surely this will increase competition, no?
I don't think that the new Primera Air flights will affect Air Belgium's US activities. Air Belgium asked for a US licence essentially to operate ACMI activities.
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by domtom » 25 Aug 2018, 07:25

Sure. But they are planning on launching flights to the US, right? So this creates more competition

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by lumumba » 25 Aug 2018, 10:18

domtom wrote:
25 Aug 2018, 07:25
Sure. But they are planning on launching flights to the US, right? So this creates more competition
if I understand correctly it will only be ACMI flights to the USA!
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 28 Aug 2018, 22:04

Primera has a long history of deceiving its customers (e.g. by cancelling all the transatlantic flights from BHX at short notice). This is not going to change any time soon.

The Primera Air website assures passengers who buy tickets from Stansted to Newark next week that their planes will not refuel along the way. Airlineroute tweeted that the long-range Airbus A321 normally used from Stansted to Newark is to be replaced all next week by a 737. But the Boeing 737-800 aircraft, with a range of under 3,000 miles, will touch down at Keflavik in Iceland to replenish the tanks.

The stop adds around 300 miles. The journey time is shown as increasing by 90 minutes from the current nonstop trip taking eight hours and 25 minutes. But with the extra distance flown and time spent on the ground, the en-route stop could extend the flight time by two hours.

The eastbound service is still scheduled to operate nonstop, with the jet stream in the aircraft’s favour.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 09536.html
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by stefanel » 30 Aug 2018, 11:46

Just to show you how cheap a flight to NYC can be with a regular airline incl. food and luggage, 192€ return from Brussels!
https://www.fly4free.com/flight-deals/e ... paign=push
Direct flights are often around 250/300€.
So I don't see the point here...

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by Bralo20 » 30 Aug 2018, 11:55

stefanel wrote:
30 Aug 2018, 11:46
Just to show you how cheap a flight to NYC can be with a regular airline incl. food and luggage, 192€ return from Brussels!
https://www.fly4free.com/flight-deals/e ... paign=push
Direct flights are often around 250/300€.
So I don't see the point here...
If you want to take more than a day to travel. 28h+ of traveltime to get there is a bit long. ;)
But I admit, I would rather take a regular airline with a widebody instead of taking Primera with a 737.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by Ansett » 30 Aug 2018, 17:46

stefanel wrote:
30 Aug 2018, 11:46
Just to show you how cheap a flight to NYC can be with a regular airline incl. food and luggage, 192€ return from Brussels!
https://www.fly4free.com/flight-deals/e ... paign=push
Direct flights are often around 250/300€.
So I don't see the point here...
For the BRU-NYC return fare at EUR 192, you forget that on the way to NYC, you will either have to spend 17h35min inside the airport terminal (where will you sleep during the night ?) or take a hotel for the night, which will cost you probably around EUR 80 without breakfast. In both cases, you will have to add the price of drinks provided you bring your own sandwished from home for the 17h35min lay over.

OK, this was the cheapest offer. There are others wich don't imply a long transit time.

However, the one thing which makes me happy is that Primera Air will offer a late afternoon flight to IAD and evening flights to BOS and EWR.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by lumumba » 30 Aug 2018, 19:53

Ansett wrote:
30 Aug 2018, 17:46
stefanel wrote:
30 Aug 2018, 11:46
Just to show you how cheap a flight to NYC can be with a regular airline incl. food and luggage, 192€ return from Brussels!
https://www.fly4free.com/flight-deals/e ... paign=push
Direct flights are often around 250/300€.
So I don't see the point here...
For the BRU-NYC return fare at EUR 192, you forget that on the way to NYC, you will either have to spend 17h35min inside the airport terminal (where will you sleep during the night ?) or take a hotel for the night, which will cost you probably around EUR 80 without breakfast. In both cases, you will have to add the price of drinks provided you bring your own sandwished from home for the 17h35min lay over.

OK, this was the cheapest offer. There are others wich don't imply a long transit time.

However, the one thing which makes me happy is that Primera Air will offer a late afternoon flight to IAD and evening flights to BOS and EWR.
I can't be more agree.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 06 Sep 2018, 16:07

Primera Air intends to start new B737 MAX 9 service from Frankfurt to New York JFK, Boston and Toronto from June 2019.

This looks to me like uncontrolled growth.
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 06 Sep 2018, 20:42

sn26567 wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 16:07
Primera Air intends to start new B737 MAX 9 service from Frankfurt to New York JFK, Boston and Toronto from June 2019.

This looks to me like uncontrolled growth.
Direct way to the "vuilnisbak" like VLM.
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Re: Primera Air to launch three U.S. routes from Brussels in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 06 Sep 2018, 20:46

A vos ordres! Mr. le Président!

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