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Re: 2019 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

Post by sn26567 » 20 May 2019, 12:37

TLspotting wrote:
19 May 2019, 22:40
Air Antwerp to fly as from Autumn if everything goes well : viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66236&p=382523#p382523
But simultaneously, from 25 October 2019, Flybe/Stobart will be dropping its daily London Southend (SEN) to Antwerp (ANR) route.
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Post by pitrixplanespotting » 20 May 2019, 16:52

sn26567 wrote:
20 May 2019, 12:37
TLspotting wrote:
19 May 2019, 22:40
Air Antwerp to fly as from Autumn if everything goes well : viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66236&p=382523#p382523
But simultaneously, from 25 October 2019, Flybe/Stobart will be dropping its daily London Southend (SEN) to Antwerp (ANR) route.
Source?

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 20 May 2019, 16:54

I wondered the same. Didn't we get reports of good load factors, which ought to mean commercial success?

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Post by lucas » 20 May 2019, 17:29

pitrixplanespotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 16:52
Source?
jan_olieslagers wrote:
20 May 2019, 16:54
I wondered the same. Didn't we get reports of good load factors, which ought to mean commercial success?
I checked the FlyBe site, and it indeed shows that there are no flights available after the 25th of october. Sad, but true...

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Post by pitrixplanespotting » 20 May 2019, 18:42

lucas wrote:
20 May 2019, 17:29
pitrixplanespotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 16:52
Source?
jan_olieslagers wrote:
20 May 2019, 16:54
I wondered the same. Didn't we get reports of good load factors, which ought to mean commercial success?
I checked the FlyBe site, and it indeed shows that there are no flights available after the 25th of october. Sad, but true...
Weird, maybe they are late to load the flights in their booking system? (hoping)

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Post by MHG » 20 May 2019, 19:22

pitrixplanespotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 18:42
Weird, maybe they are late to load the flights in their booking system? (hoping)
Don´t think so.
BE is still underway in its restructuring and that route is not the last one to go for sure.
They likely have set a comparably high threshold (for keeping a route) where ANR-LGW just doesn´t perform as required.
Even if ANR-LGW is not loosing money the yield may still be not as solid as required ...

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Post by Ozzie1969 » 20 May 2019, 19:31

MHG wrote:
20 May 2019, 19:22
pitrixplanespotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 18:42
Weird, maybe they are late to load the flights in their booking system? (hoping)
Don´t think so.
BE is still underway in its restructuring and that route is not the last one to go for sure.
They likely have set a comparably high threshold (for keeping a route) where ANR-LGW just doesn´t perform as required.
Even if ANR-LGW is not loosing money the yield may still be not as solid as required ...
You mean ANR-SEN. There's no flights from Antwerp to Gatwick.

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Post by MHG » 20 May 2019, 19:33

Ozzie1969 wrote:
20 May 2019, 19:31
MHG wrote:
20 May 2019, 19:22
pitrixplanespotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 18:42
Weird, maybe they are late to load the flights in their booking system? (hoping)
Don´t think so.
BE is still underway in its restructuring and that route is not the last one to go for sure.
They likely have set a comparably high threshold (for keeping a route) where ANR-LGW just doesn´t perform as required.
Even if ANR-LGW is not loosing money the yield may still be not as solid as required ...
You mean ANR-SEN. There's no flights from Antwerp to Gatwick.
Of course SEN-ANR ...

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 20 May 2019, 19:56

the yield may still be not as solid as required
May I be allowed some doubt, here, too? If even the champion of "low but sustainable profit" Ryanair has to warn shareholders for "limited profits in the next few years", how can any airline operator willingly give up any route that turns up a profit, however marginal?

I cannot help wondering if there isn't some kind of understanding - after all, the market from Antwerp was never big.

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Post by cathay belgium » 20 May 2019, 20:34

Hi,
Well Maybe it's just simple...
SEN isn't LCY, it's not good enough connecties with thé city...
Biz. People won't just fly SEN instead LCY..
That's it, SEN is like STN leisure London only..
And An ATR doesn't fill up that easy on low yield servings..

F50,ATR42 with a high yield double daily LCY makes much more sense !
Therefor ... KLM to LCY :) OH air Antwerp !
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Post by Passenger » 01 Jun 2019, 20:42

Passenger wrote:
24 May 2019, 10:36
Stampe Fly In: 01 June and 02 June 2019:

Info NL:
http://www.stampe.be/NL/SV-meeting.html
and
http://www.stampe.be/NL/SV-meeting_pilots.html
Report local tv ATV:
https://atv.be/nieuws/oude-vliegtuigen- ... port-79428
(with a nice photobombing at 1min20s)

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Post by Passenger » 07 Jun 2019, 11:30

Not a surprise, but unfortunately: the Belair bar-restaurant ("Belair Deurne nv") has been declared bankrupt on 6th June 2019.

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Post by saratoga » 07 Jun 2019, 11:48

Also a big surprise for me. Today is full of those surprises. Pitty because they had a good kitchen.

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Post by pitrixplanespotting » 07 Jun 2019, 12:26

Passenger wrote:
07 Jun 2019, 11:30
Not a surprise, but unfortunately: the Belair bar-restaurant ("Belair Deurne nv") has been declared bankrupt on 6th June 2019.
I have been there 5 days ago, was pretty much full. (stampe fly inn) :(

Where did you find the information?

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Post by Passenger » 07 Jun 2019, 14:03

pitrixplanespotting wrote:
07 Jun 2019, 12:26
Passenger wrote:
07 Jun 2019, 11:30
Not a surprise, but unfortunately: the Belair bar-restaurant ("Belair Deurne nv") has been declared bankrupt on 6th June 2019.
I have been there 5 days ago, was pretty much full. (stampe fly inn) :(
Where did you find the information?
Someone told me, and it's confirmed by the Kruispuntbank KBO / BCE:
see remark in green:
https://kbopub.economie.fgov.be/kbopub/ ... =808061171

(it's faillissement op bekentenis / faillite sur aveu)

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Post by PttU » 19 Jun 2019, 10:12

https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20190618_0446 ... luchthaven

"The French company Egis, the operator of the Antwerp airport, disputes the branch tax it has to pay to the city of Antwerp. The city council wiped the objections. The counter is now at 233,668 euros in back taxes. The operator goes to court."

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Post by sn26567 » 19 Jun 2019, 11:28

PttU wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 10:12
https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20190618_0446 ... luchthaven

"The French company Egis, the operator of the Antwerp airport, disputes the branch tax it has to pay to the city of Antwerp. The city council wiped the objections. The counter is now at 233,668 euros in back taxes. The operator goes to court."
It looks like the city wants to kill its airport. Not very smart!
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Post by PttU » 19 Jun 2019, 12:02

sn26567 wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 11:28
PttU wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 10:12
https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20190618_0446 ... luchthaven

"The French company Egis, the operator of the Antwerp airport, disputes the branch tax it has to pay to the city of Antwerp. The city council wiped the objections. The counter is now at 233,668 euros in back taxes. The operator goes to court."
It looks like the city wants to kill its airport. Not very smart!
It looks like the city wants the taxes it imposes and thinks has a right to it. Not very stupid!
But the media picks this up and the opponents of the airport use this to act infuriated. See also the last paragraph of the article:
"Sinds de privatisering van de exploitatie van de Antwerpse luchthaven werd er al voor meer dan 80 miljoen euro aan belastinggeld in Antwerp Airport gestoken: 13 miljoen in infrastructuur, 58 miljoen in het bouwen van de tunnel onder de Krijgsbaan om de startbaan virtueel te verlengen en 4 miljoen werkingssubsidie per jaar."
Or google translated:
"Since the privatization of the operation of the Antwerp airport, more than 80 million euros in tax money has been invested in Antwerp Airport: 13 million in infrastructure, 58 million in building the tunnel under the Krijgsbaan to virtually extend the runway and 4 million operating subsidy per year."

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Post by ironspan » 19 Jun 2019, 12:15

As usual, the GvA is the voice of the Groen! party. Now that Ingrid Pira has not been re-elected, Wouter Van Besien will do the job. I am not sure the city council is fully aware of this dispute, or if it is stirred up by a(n) (over-active) civil servant. Obviously, this tax was never discussed nor negotiated when the LEM/EGIS contract was signed. Unfortunately, as long as Groen! is represented by several journalists in the GvA, we will see more of these articles (before the elections, there was minimum 1 negative article per week). The new ‘Groen!’ focus is now also on cruise ships. In the same edition today, GvA is claiming that no more cruise ships should vist Antwerp... And a few weeks ago they wanted to re-discuss Oosterweel...

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