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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by sn26567 » 17 Jul 2018, 16:08

And now, back on topic:

Brussels Airlines hopes to phase out the four SSJ100s wet-leased from CityJet ahead of the March 2019 expiration date, as the Belgian carrier is not satisfied with the availability of the aircraft overall. Capacity will be made up with other CityJet aircraft, with another partner, or with their own aircraft.
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by spagiola » 20 Jul 2018, 15:39

Per FR24, there are currently five SSJs currently flying for Brussels Airlines: EI-FWA, -FWC, -FWE, -FWF, and -FWG. I thought the contract only called for 4?

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by sn26567 » 20 Jul 2018, 16:24

spagiola wrote:
20 Jul 2018, 15:39
Per FR24, there are currently five SSJs currently flying for Brussels Airlines: EI-FWA, -FWC, -FWE, -FWF, and -FWG. I thought the contract only called for 4?
The Brussels Airlines inflight magazine also mentions 5 SSJs.
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Konus » 21 Jul 2018, 13:26

The remaining CityJet's aircraft have been operating for SN as their last flights:
- EI-FWB : stored in VCE since 11JUN18
- EI-FWD : stored in BRU since 20JUN18

What will happen with those aircraft in the future ?


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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by DannyVDB » 21 Jul 2018, 14:38

Konus wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 13:26
The remaining CityJet's aircraft have been operating for SN as their last flights:
- EI-FWB : stored in VCE since 11JUN18
- EI-FWD : stored in BRU since 20JUN18

What will happen with those aircraft in the future ?
As per the same
https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/brussels

one is in maintenance (EI-FWB) and the other one (EI-FWD) is inactive, read, there are issues with the plane ...

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by nordikcam » 22 Jul 2018, 12:19

After the unlikely problems related to the SSJ, Cityjet will she keep the contract with SN but on another type of plane ?

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by KriVa » 22 Jul 2018, 12:29

EI-FWD is the SSJ which had an incident upon landing on June 20th. I guess it’s still not fixed.
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Post by nordikcam » 22 Jul 2018, 12:43

KriVa wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 12:29
EI-FWD is the SSJ which had an incident upon landing on June 20th. I guess it’s still not fixed.
There is not only one SSJ to have known some worries @ SN, I think that A, B, C and D ... have had some. Just read the history of the posts. I'm still on 2 cancellations in June ...la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase. So my question "Do SN will keep the contract with Cityjet but with another type of plane ? " ;)

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Post by sn26567 » 22 Jul 2018, 17:00

It is widely expected that SN will cancel the SSJ contract with CityJet before it expires in March 2019 with three possibilities:
  • Continue with another CityJet aircraft, e.g. the CRJ900
  • Switch to another subcontractor, e.g. Flybe or bmi regional
  • Fly its own aircraft, e.g. A319
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by CTBke » 22 Jul 2018, 20:24

sn26567 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:00
It is widely expected that SN will cancel the SSJ contract with CityJet before it expires in March 2019 with three possibilities:
  • Continue with another CityJet aircraft, e.g. the CRJ900
  • Switch to another subcontractor, e.g. Flybe or bmi regional
  • Fly its own aircraft, e.g. A319
Flybe wouldn't be an option anymore as there were many problems with the cargo capacity on the Q400 and they didn't have the E-jet available for lease
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by tolipanebas » 22 Jul 2018, 21:28

sn26567 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:00
It is widely expected that SN will cancel the SSJ contract with CityJet before it expires in March 2019 with three possibilities:
  • Continue with another CityJet aircraft, e.g. the CRJ900
  • Switch to another subcontractor, e.g. Flybe or bmi regional
  • Fly its own aircraft, e.g. A319
No need to speculate: the upgrade on BMA already gives the direction away, doesn't it?
Additional leases for 2 A319s will be signed shortly... ;)

Oh, and although unrelated, yet another A320 will be added to the fleet next summer.

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Post by CTBke » 22 Jul 2018, 22:51

tolipanebas wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 21:28
sn26567 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:00
It is widely expected that SN will cancel the SSJ contract with CityJet before it expires in March 2019 with three possibilities:
  • Continue with another CityJet aircraft, e.g. the CRJ900
  • Switch to another subcontractor, e.g. Flybe or bmi regional
  • Fly its own aircraft, e.g. A319
No need to speculate: the upgrade on BMA already gives the direction away, doesn't it?
Additional leases for 2 A319s will be signed shortly... ;)

Oh, and although unrelated, yet another A320 will be added to the fleet next summer.
no A321's in sight yet ? :)
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by sn26567 » 22 Jul 2018, 23:00

tolipanebas wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 21:28
Additional leases for 2 A319s will be signed shortly... ;)
I hear that the leases would already have been signed if the pilot unions had signed the agreement with management instead of waiting for... For what?
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by sn26567 » 27 Jul 2018, 15:21

Not only Brussels Airlines has problems with CityJet wet-leases: SAS Scandinavian Airlines cancelled 700 flights over related crewing issues with CityJet, as SAS wet-leases aircraft from the Irish carrier.
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by nordikcam » 28 Jul 2018, 16:10

But that does not prevent SN from continuing the operation of this aircraft or with CityJet. SN is therefore content with the situation even if it is probably not happy ...
The "SSJ Problems Festival" of the day for SN is : ... 2h delay for Figari or Zadar, 6h for Edinburg ... who will have the palm ? Maybe a cancelled flight will be the winner !

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by convair » 28 Jul 2018, 18:03

Passenger wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 17:26
nordikcam wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 16:10
But that does not prevent SN from continuing the operation of this aircraft or with CityJet. SN is therefore content with the situation even if it is probably not happy ...
The "SSJ Problems Festival" of the day for SN is : ... 2h delay for Figari or Zadar, 6h for Edinburg ... who will have the palm ? Maybe a cancelled flight will be the winner!
Thank you very much for concerns about this problem. But may I suggest that you add one more flight to your daily searches? It's a flight that also qualifies for your Problems Festival:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104
Thanks for your close monitoring of Air Belgium. But do not hesitate to widen your investigation: SN 551 landed at Toronto yesterday with 2h31 delay.
Granted, it was yesterday... :)

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by nordikcam » 28 Jul 2018, 18:05

Passenger wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 17:26
nordikcam wrote:
28 Jul 2018, 16:10
But that does not prevent SN from continuing the operation of this aircraft or with CityJet. SN is therefore content with the situation even if it is probably not happy ...
The "SSJ Problems Festival" of the day for SN is : ... 2h delay for Figari or Zadar, 6h for Edinburg ... who will have the palm ? Maybe a cancelled flight will be the winner!
Thank you very much for concerns about this problem. But may I suggest that you add one more flight to your daily searches? It's a flight that also qualifies for your Problems Festival:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af104
But I totally agree with you about Air Belgium ... I would not recommend it to my worst enemy. This is for the moment a good joke. If I'm so sarcastic about SN ... it's that I'm going from disillusionment to disillusionment when I honestly think that at the organizational level, at the human level, at the technological level, with my large experience of North Atlantic flights (YYZ principaly ) this company should be somewhere else than where it is for the moment in a generally well-kept base, BRU ( police is another problem) ... and nothing moves, nothing evolves, nothing changes, stuck by Eurowings or LH. It's frustrating when you compare KLM and the Dutch management ... After the long-haul fleet problems that tend to diminish, the SSJ are the straw that breaks the camel. As I said before : "who bene amat, bene castigat" ... "qui aime... bien châtie bien" ( sorry for those french words )

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Passenger » 28 Jul 2018, 19:13

Is there a need to reconfirm that "the CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines"? Really? If so: yes, it is. And Brussels Airlines is well aware of it. I know of one meeting, few weeks ago, where it was discussed in Frankfurt. But realism ruled. Just one example: what if Brussels Airlines unilaterally cancels the contract? It will then end up in the trade court, which means that final settlement is within a year or ten. And meanwhile: who will / which aircraft will do the job?

Regarding my referral here to AF104, operated by Air Belgium: when someone opens a "Problems Festival", it looks fair to me remind that we have a firm competitor for the Superjets.

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by saratoga » 28 Jul 2018, 19:36

sn26567 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:00
It is widely expected that SN will cancel the SSJ contract with CityJet before it expires in March 2019 with three possibilities:
  • Continue with another CityJet aircraft, e.g. the CRJ900
  • Switch to another subcontractor, e.g. Flybe or bmi regional
  • Fly its own aircraft, e.g. A319

Perhaps if Cityjet and Air Nostrum get emerged Cityjet can get their hands on more crj’s to be used for Brussels. But i guess this process is not completed in 1-2-3. But i feel the Sukhoi’s will be out anyway. The question is what will happen afterwards with these “matroesjka’s”.

Flybe, might be a option. But then if my memory is good, they already did that before and that contract got ended as well in the end. ( i dont know here the full story). So why bothering again?? And would Flybe be interested??
BMI Regional: they are even downsizing their fleet!!!! And the Emb has only 49 seats!! Their capacity is way too low to replace Cityjet. And the few aircraft they have, are also being used for other wet lease contracts.

Plus, would SN really choose for a UK operator that is operating with a UK aoc knowing that there is still this brexit thing coming up and that the future is very unsecure?

The most logical thing would be that SN operates these flights themselves. More jobs for belgian ppl, or German.

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