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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 07 Jun 2018, 08:36

Report of the "inauguration" by Pagtour, with a photo of their third aircraft (and it's not a A343):
http://pagtour.info/air-belgium-reunit- ... bel-belge/

(before the 2 A343's were delivered, Flightradar has used that same photo for Air Belgium)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 07 Jun 2018, 12:54

Boeing767copilot wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 06:09
sn26567 wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 06:02
The return flight leaves tomorrow at 11:40 local time (GMT+8) to arrive in CRL at 18:25 local time (GMT+2).
And how many pax for the two flights?
No offence to André here (I respect him very much) but don't expect an unbiased review coming from someone who is invited by Air Belgium PR dept. This is PR stunt at its best... same applies to loadfactor being (objectively) disclosed or not... How many journalists on board ? What are the forward booking..?

When you see how some journalists did cover SN's recent strike, and how dependent they are on SN press department, this might explain the poor and nonobjective coverage that was done.

Actual info will leak sooner or later, but the then comes the question "what is your source" ? ... :D ;)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 07 Jun 2018, 15:45

Within a few weeks, their honeymoon weeks will be over. Optimism will then be replaced by realism: the figures, the invoices, the bills, the problem with the load factor, the problem with the GDS, the problem with the call center.

Sooner or later, someone will have to pay for the Libreville debackle from last weekend (two AF flights cancelled, leaving hundreds of passengers stranded = hotels, meals, rebookings, refunds). Someone will have to pay for the two flights with almost zero paying passengers: the first flight (03/06) and the inauguration flight (06/06). Or for the four flights with almost zero paying passengers, unless U-Tour fills the plane tomorrow.

And what will happen when their annual account 2017 will be published? Remember: it was a year with only expenses and no income.

The above is my personal opinion. The following is a quote from Richard Branson: "...If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline..."

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by simnam » 07 Jun 2018, 16:03

What a threathening way of saying it.
I would have just said : the beginning has been difficult, now they are launched, let's hope they will succeed, wait and see...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by 737MAX » 07 Jun 2018, 16:23

Passenger wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 15:45


The above is my personal opinion. The following is a quote from Richard Branson: "...If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline..."
Yeah, but Branson is a smart guy. And luckily the world has people like him. People capable of creating jobs and successful stories.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Poiu » 07 Jun 2018, 17:12

simnam wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 16:03
What a threathening way of saying it.
I would have just said : the beginning has been difficult, now they are launched, let's hope they will succeed, wait and see...
Exactly!
Off course this won’t be a walk in the park, but let’s applaud those who want to take the risk and give them a fair chance.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 07 Jun 2018, 17:18

And still no LF figures for the first flights, CRL-HGK-CRL?
Where are the objective journo’s? 😄

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 07 Jun 2018, 17:22

Boeing767copilot wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 17:18
And still no LF figures for the first flights, CRL-HGK-CRL?
Where are the objective journo’s? 😄
We forgot to send somebody over to count the amount of passengers that were boarding and deboarding the aircraft :roll:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Poiu » 07 Jun 2018, 17:27

Boeing767copilot wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 17:18
And still no LF figures for the first flights, CRL-HGK-CRL?
Where are the objective journo’s? 😄
Probably around 25% revenue pax, but what is the value of the load factor of the first flight? Do you want to fly CRL-HKG, with the real load, on your Microsoft 767 flight simulator?

Why don’t you ask your reliable source?
Boeing767copilot wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 17:18
A reliable source familiar with AB management told me....

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by ZavCity » 07 Jun 2018, 18:40

If chinese travel agency U Tour is putting their clients on KF flights instead of sending russian planes to LGG , they can succeed in feeding their planes...
gtz
paul

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by lumumba » 07 Jun 2018, 19:16

Passenger wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 15:45
Within a few weeks, their honeymoon weeks will be over. Optimism will then be replaced by realism: the figures, the invoices, the bills, the problem with the load factor, the problem with the GDS, the problem with the call center.

Sooner or later, someone will have to pay for the Libreville debackle from last weekend (two AF flights cancelled, leaving hundreds of passengers stranded = hotels, meals, rebookings, refunds). Someone will have to pay for the two flights with almost zero paying passengers: the first flight (03/06) and the inauguration flight (06/06). Or for the four flights with almost zero paying passengers, unless U-Tour fills the plane tomorrow.

And what will happen when their annual account 2017 will be published? Remember: it was a year with only expenses and no income.

The above is my personal opinion. The following is a quote from Richard Branson: "...If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline..."
Hey Passenger

I have the impression you don't want them to succeed or is it something else?

Regards
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 07 Jun 2018, 20:13

Poiu wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 17:27
Probably around 25% revenue pax, but what is the value of the load factor of the first flight?
Source for that "probably around 25% revenue pax" please.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Poiu » 07 Jun 2018, 20:46

Passenger wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 20:13
Poiu wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 17:27
Probably around 25% revenue pax, but what is the value of the load factor of the first flight?
Source for that "probably around 25% revenue pax" please.
PROBABLY= wild guess.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 07 Jun 2018, 21:13

Poiu wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 20:46
PROBABLY= wild guess.
Indeed. It's your right to state that it was around 25%. But when I post something that is far less then above wild guess, some people ask that my personal opinion is removed, thus ignoring the basic forum rule that everyone is allowed a personal opinion.

Example:
sean1982 wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 14:25
Then the comment should be removed. It would have been different if it said:I think the strike was not justified, meaning a personal opinion. “The strike was not justified” is a blanket statement and should be then backed up with proof that it wasn’t. So far I haven’t seen any, on the contrary.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by KriVa » 07 Jun 2018, 21:57

Consider this a general remark:
If you keep stirring the pot, expect to find yourself on vacation from the kitchen quite quickly.
There’s absolutely no use bringing up a post from a different thread in here. Especially one part of a discussion that’s already closed for good reason.
If you want to keep participating, keep it civil and get past the personal attacks.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 08 Jun 2018, 09:07

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OO-ABB now flying back to Charleroi, of which around 50 Chinese tourists.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 08 Jun 2018, 14:50

This morning Air France flight AF977, operated by Air Belgium OO-ABA was returning from Libreville, holded above Dyon for about twenty minutes then headed to Paris Orly airport. (reason unknown but most likely due to airport capacity reduction at CDG ? )
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Five hours later the aircraft took off Orly airport for a landing at CDG less than twenty minutes later.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by DIBO » 08 Jun 2018, 20:59

luchtzak wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 09:07
OO-ABB now flying back to Charleroi, of which around 50 Chinese tourists.
"The eagle has landed"

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 09 Jun 2018, 17:56

André’s return flight trip report: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-b ... rn-flight/

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by BAAV » 09 Jun 2018, 18:04

737MAX wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 22:23
And sadly enough, police "officers" at BRU are arrogant, unfriendly, lazy, and basically useless...
ah generalisations, I tend to disagree. I never had a negative experience so far. And just a small quote from a former indian colleague when he heard I was Belgian... mmm Belgium, I only remember one thing vividly of a very short trip there and that was the friendly police officer at the airport passport control who greeted me in Hindi.

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