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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by jan_olieslagers » 03 Jun 2018, 16:00

:) I couldn't help wondering the same ...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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by Ozzie1969 » 03 Jun 2018, 15:47
TLspotting wrote: ↑
03 Jun 2018, 15:27
According to a tweet, there was only 15 people on board ? Mistake or true ?
Does that include the crew?
And at least some paying cargo then...? :? Or no cargo at all for the time being? even when no 'full' Pax loads?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by TLspotting » 03 Jun 2018, 16:41

Travel Express Benelux : Only 15 passengers on board !
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 03 Jun 2018, 16:44

Passenger wrote:
03 Jun 2018, 15:22
luchtzak wrote:
03 Jun 2018, 15:18
而布魯塞爾南部沙勒羅瓦機場和香港之間的首架比利時航班正在離境!
确实
OK, for those of you who are too lazy to look up in Google Translate:

The first Belgian flight between Charleroi Airport in southern Brussels and Hong Kong is leaving!

Indeed
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 03 Jun 2018, 18:01

TLspotting wrote:
03 Jun 2018, 16:41
Travel Express Benelux : Only 15 passengers on board !
I know that Air Belgium, with OO-ABA AOG in Libreville, has other things in mind now then joining social media discussions. But they should at least react to the above travel press statement.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Jetter » 03 Jun 2018, 19:28

Passenger wrote:
03 Jun 2018, 18:01
TLspotting wrote:
03 Jun 2018, 16:41
Travel Express Benelux : Only 15 passengers on board !
I know that Air Belgium, with OO-ABA AOG in Libreville, has other things in mind now then joining social media discussions. But they should at least react to the above travel press statement.
What should they say? Better to not generate any extra attention to the abysmal number imo.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by N77014 » 03 Jun 2018, 21:37

So it's the bargain of the season... No need to pay for Business Class. Buy an Economy ticket and get a perfect sleep on the 4 seats in the middle... I would not doubt if my agenda had HKG in the upcoming weeks... The late opening of booking facilities is one of the main reasons IMHO. Tourism and VFR pax do not decide 2 weeks in advance for such destination... Wishing them lots of luck though !

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by domtom » 03 Jun 2018, 22:16

Ouch! 15 pax must really hurt.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by DIBO » 03 Jun 2018, 22:35

domtom wrote:
03 Jun 2018, 22:16
Ouch! 15 pax must really hurt.
And what will the return flight bring, pax wise??

At least they got some favorable tailwinds, currently almost an hour ahead of schedule...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by nicopapa » 04 Jun 2018, 00:35

Their main target is to fly Chinese tourists to Europe at dirt cheap prices. So before flying them back to China, they first need to get them in Europe. I don't think that they will ever transport many Belgian travelers to HK, especially considering that they operate from CRL and that CX is serving BRU. In any case, I wouldn't draw any conclusion from this first flight, it is highly premature.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by kly » 04 Jun 2018, 00:41

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Looks like they’re advertising on boards too!
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by airtrainer » 04 Jun 2018, 01:03

OO-ABA left Libreville to CDG 45 min ago.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 04 Jun 2018, 07:51

airtrainer wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 01:03
OO-ABA left Libreville to CDG 45 min ago.
...and arrived in Paris at 06h58.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... a#119a015b

Meanwhile, KF-852 HKG-BRU = OO-ABB is enroute too, with arrival at CRL now planned for 17h33 local (iso ETA 18h15).
https://www.flightradar24.com/ABB852/119a7479

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Vic Diesel » 04 Jun 2018, 16:01

nicopapa wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 00:35
Their main target is to fly Chinese tourists to Europe at dirt cheap prices. So before flying them back to China, they first need to get them in Europe. I don't think that they will ever transport many Belgian travelers to HK, especially considering that they operate from CRL and that CX is serving BRU. In any case, I wouldn't draw any conclusion from this first flight, it is highly premature.
Exactly. Air Belgium was not founded to bring European tourists to Asia, so they as well could have based the aircraft with an empty ferry flight in HKG. Having some paxes and assumably some cargo on board as well is still better than an empty ferry flight.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by N77014 » 04 Jun 2018, 16:13

Anybody any idea of the number of pax on the return flight ? And his flight seems to take quite long : 12h45 according to FR24, while the CX A359 HKG-CDG at the same moment, only takes 12h00 while being slightly further in distance. I compared a few other HKG- nearby BE airport flights right now, all are on average an hour faster. Are these A343's so slow ? It's not that they are ahead of schedule neither...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 04 Jun 2018, 17:12

Vic Diesel wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 16:01
nicopapa wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 00:35
Their main target is to fly Chinese tourists to Europe at dirt cheap prices. So before flying them back to China, they first need to get them in Europe. I don't think that they will ever transport many Belgian travelers to HK, especially considering that they operate from CRL and that CX is serving BRU. In any case, I wouldn't draw any conclusion from this first flight, it is highly premature.
Exactly. Air Belgium was not founded to bring European tourists to Asia, so they as well could have based the aircraft with an empty ferry flight in HKG. Having some paxes and assumably some cargo on board as well is still better than an empty ferry flight.
Maybe the China-Europe market is their main target. But they sell tickets from Charleroi to Hong Kong, they make publicity for those flights, they have an online booking tool for those flights. So they do want them - but they don't get them yet.

And what matters for Belgians (the advantage of Brussels versus Charleroi) is also valid for Chinese people. On top, Chinese people know Cathay but they don't know Air Belgium.

I'm not going to repeat why they fail so far - it has been said multiple times.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by lumumba » 04 Jun 2018, 18:45

Let's just hope they succeed and that Brussels Charleroi South can attract more long haul airlines...
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Amavro » 04 Jun 2018, 18:48

N77014 wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 16:13
Anybody any idea of the number of pax on the return flight ? And his flight seems to take quite long : 12h45 according to FR24, while the CX A359 HKG-CDG at the same moment, only takes 12h00 while being slightly further in distance. I compared a few other HKG- nearby BE airport flights right now, all are on average an hour faster. Are these A343's so slow ? It's not that they are ahead of schedule neither...
It's all about the flight path, not the actual speed of the aircraft.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by jan_olieslagers » 04 Jun 2018, 18:56

... and perhaps about assigned altitude, a bit, too?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 04 Jun 2018, 21:17

While I was writing a blog-style article about Air Belgium's recent cancelled flight out of Libreville, based on a French article ( https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-b ... ibreville/ ) I discovered that on Flightradar24, tonight's return flight AF977 seems to be cancelled too...

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