Air Belgium in 2018

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Shengenzone
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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The delayed launch is making headlines in Taiwan...
https://travelhito.com/%E6%AF%94%E5%88% ... %E3%80%8D/
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Inquirer wrote:
26 Apr 2018, 16:24
Somebody mentioned going around Russia would add 6% to the route: I suppose such would also add a similar amount to the operating costs of the flight? How much profit margin would still be left, if any, by doing so? The fact they clearly do not dare to launch without overflight permit makes me think the routes are unsustainable without it.
Actually, the source for that 6% is flanker. The real figure is 1,5 hours extra flying time (source: AB itself).

FR24 shows as average flying time for Cathay's A350-900:
BRU-HKG CX-338: 10h35min
HKG-BRU CX-339: 12h07min

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Shengenzone wrote:
26 Apr 2018, 17:55
The delayed launch is making headlines in Taiwan...
https://travelhito.com/%E6%AF%94%E5%88% ... %E3%80%8D/
... and in the South China Morning Post - Hong Kong Economy news:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/econ ... er-failing

Boeing767copilot
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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A reliable source familiar with AB management told me that there is just only reason for the delay: 'Hardly sold tickets for the coming weeks and months' :( :o

Amavro
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 06:59
A reliable source familiar with AB management told me that there is just only reason for the delay: 'Hardly sold tickets for the coming weeks and months' :( :o
They must not lie to their customer. The issue with the russians is real. I heard they had already sold 75% of the seats for the coming year thanks to agreements with UTOUR.

Anyway, i don't know anymore what's true or not !

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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sn26567 wrote:
26 Apr 2018, 17:08
Russia gets a lot of money from overflying rights. Why would they refuse one more airline?
Politics. It would be very typical of Russian diplomacy: if you kick our diplomats out of your country, we will do whatever we can to make your companies' life difficult when they want to deal with us. They did this for decades if not centuries. Not a very sympathetic approach to international relations (nor are those propaganda campaigns via Russian-run "news" sources spreading fake stories - or concerted hacker attacks on European governments originating in Russia, etc.) - but this is the way they're playing. Wladimir wants to show the world he's got the biggest... button. You know, the one that always works... :lol:
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How about you wait until you have the overflight rights... and then announce flights for 90 days later so you can sell some tickets... By June 2nd they still won't sell a lot of tickets and who says they will have the permissions...
Starting an airline is rough but it must be done properly and professionally if you want to succeed!

It reminds me of VG Airlines... FVG absolutely wanted to fly to Boston without have a single connection on either side of the Atlantic... Before getting hired to work in Boston I told him to absolutely forget about flying point to point but he was going to do it no matter what... and it was a huge failure passenger wise... Some people just don't want to listen and they have to learn the hard way... VG had a very nice product... nice A330s, great SN crews, good service... but if you put 20-30 people on a plane that's not going to last long...

Hopefully ABB does better but so far their actions have not been very impressive!

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 06:59
A reliable source familiar with AB management told me that there is just only reason for the delay: 'Hardly sold tickets for the coming weeks and months'.
Looks like the only possibility indeed: empty flights. Cathay applied about ten months between announcement of the new route to BRU and the first flight. Air Belgium: one month. I understand that decision: their CFO tells that money urgently needs to come in now. But from the travel/tourism aspect, one month is far too less to get bookings for a long haul destination. Only business passengers book (partly) on such short notice.

JustPlanes wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 10:37
How about you wait until you have the overflight rights... and then announce flights for 90 days later so you can sell some tickets... By June 2nd they still won't sell a lot of tickets and who says they will have the permissions... Starting an airline is rough but it must be done properly and professionally if you want to succeed!
Totally agree. They already had a permit debacle with Belgian authorities on their AOC, and now they have a permit issue that is 100 times more unpredictable.

JustPlanes wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 10:37
It reminds me of VG Airlines...
Hashtag metoo...

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The Air Belgium website is off line again... :roll:
What are they doing over there? Something like that doesn't build much confidence in my opinion.
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big bird wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 16:25
The Air Belgium website is off line again... :roll:
What are they doing over there? Something like that doesn't build much confidence in my opinion.Capture.JPG
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TLspotting wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 17:41
big bird wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 16:25
The Air Belgium website is off line again... :roll:
What are they doing over there? Something like that doesn't build much confidence in my opinion.Capture.JPG
Online again
Actually, they were never offline. Their forwarding from airbelgium.be or airbelgium/com to airbelgium/com/en is very very slow. And some browsers regard that interval as "website is offline". Trust their webdesigner/webhoster is working on it.

Because there is no news at all from Air Belgium, let's go off topic and discuss the weather... There is an external website where one can check if websites are down indeed:
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com

ttubbie
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Does nobody see that this is turning out to be a failure ?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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I guess it would be good Air Belgium could generate some income at very short notice.
Their cash flow position must be deradful.
Hopefully at least SLM is paying their bills timely and they can do some additional flights.

What about CARGO? An A340 without pax can load some 38 Tons of cargo ,if I'm not mistaken.
While they have no other use for those birds at this moment,would it not make sense to offer the A340's for
Cargo-only charters? Maybe on some destinations it could be a solution for any of the big forwarders confonted with a sudden peak in demand and no capacity within a given timeframe?
Not cheap,but might be doable for high value and temperature sensitive goods such as pharma ,vaccines,computer parts,perishables,..
Air Belgium is probably willing to offer a rock-bottom charter price for this kind of flights.
If I remember well the former TEA did some cargo-only charterflights with their new A300 in the beginning of that operation. Long time ago. must have been in the early eighties...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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sonic boom wrote:
25 Apr 2018, 18:22
Air Belgium delay's it start to the 3rd of june:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... s-flights/
Part two - and not the publicity they can afford:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... m-contact/

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Passenger wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 22:10
sonic boom wrote:
25 Apr 2018, 18:22
Air Belgium delay's it start to the 3rd of june:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... s-flights/
Part two - and not the publicity they can afford:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... m-contact/
And Part 3, which does not seem to be a bad offer after all, and rather quick.https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... rebooking/

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DeltaWiskey wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 22:23
Passenger wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 22:10
sonic boom wrote:
25 Apr 2018, 18:22
Air Belgium delay's it start to the 3rd of june:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... s-flights/
Part two - and not the publicity they can afford:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... m-contact/
And Part 3, which does not seem to be a bad offer after all, and rather quick.https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... rebooking/
I'm impressed. It has been a clumsy start for Air Belgium, but it does seem that their intentions are good and they don't try to escape their responsability.

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Kenlybe wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 23:46
I'm impressed. It has been a clumsy start for Air Belgium, but it does seem that their intentions are good and they don't try to escape their responsability.
Yes, it is a very nice gesture indeed. But they can't afford to that to a lot of people, so they probably didn't had a lot of cancelled bookings to deal with.

But what isn't nice, are the comments from other people on those three blog posts:
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... s-flights/
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... m-contact/
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com ... rebooking/

Amavro
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Passenger wrote:
28 Apr 2018, 01:14
But what isn't nice, are the comments from other people on those three blog posts:
It makes me think about Ryanair and their strategy : the media have spoken about them extremely negatively, but they have spoken about them very often = free publicity. It's the same here with AB, they are getting more and more publicity, and it's quite a good deal.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Amavro wrote:
28 Apr 2018, 08:43
Passenger wrote:
28 Apr 2018, 01:14
But what isn't nice, are the comments from other people on those three blog posts:
It makes me think about Ryanair and their strategy : the media have spoken about them extremely negatively, but they have spoken about them very often = free publicity. It's the same here with AB, they are getting more and more publicity, and it's quite a good deal.
One big difference: Ryanair had been in the air for a long time, AB was not.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Air Belgium is not the only carrier with a permit problem for the Russian airspace:

"...The U.D. State Department wants new talks with Russia by the end of May on agreements for U.S. airlines to cross Russian airspace, with officials in Moscow holding out on at least one key route used by cargo carriers... Russia this month agreed to renew three of four overflight routes as a deadline was about to expire. The fourth route, which runs across southern Russia, wasn’t renewed, and cargo carriers have had to use a costlier flight path as a result..."

Source - more info:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... in-problem

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