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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 04 Apr 2018, 14:49

mad_fab wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 14:18
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 14:12
Same error code from here in Belgium at 12:13Z
Works fine for me Chrome on Linux, Belgian ISP.
Just in case this is a cookie issue, did you try in "private" mode?
Thanks, it works fine on Chrome indeed.

Still confirm the error 308 on IE though.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Bralo20 » 04 Apr 2018, 14:54

luchtzak wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 13:54
From IP 195.154.226.148 I am facing a 308 permanent redirect error page when browsing www.airbelgium.com
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I didn't knew Internet Explorer was supported? Does Microsnot still make new versions of it? :mrgreen:

Air Belgium works fine with Firefox, Chrome and Safari though.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 04 Apr 2018, 14:58

airbelgium.com works with IE - airbelgium.be not.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 04 Apr 2018, 15:26

Air Belgium launched an online advertising campaign.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 04 Apr 2018, 15:28

TLspotting wrote:
03 Apr 2018, 11:14
New website !
http://ab.bigbadwolf.be/en
Owned by Big Bad Wolf ^^Screenshot_2018-04-03-11-07-08.pngScreenshot_2018-04-03-11-07-17.png
This reminds me of this song:


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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 04 Apr 2018, 15:42

Passenger wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 14:34
sean1982 wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 13:32
Passenger is just a bit ticked off that “the project that would never materialise” has happened and ruffles up his blue and red feathers. (Or yellow and black feathers for that matter)
Clear proof of "ryanitis": you have worked too long for Ryanair so you are unable to accept the basic principle of consumer legislation: one may not mislead "the average consumer" (the Belgian law indeed says "gemiddelde consument / consommateur moyen"). And that's what I wrote: "average consumers" have a far less aviation knowledge then Aviation24.be members. "Brussels South Airport" is misleading. "Brussels South Charleroi Airport" is correct. See down below.

Regarding the Belgian state, investing money into Air Belgium: actually I was expecting some support from you there, given your campaign here towards the illegal state aid (through reduction of social security costs) that was given to Brussels Airlines, Jetarifly/TUI fly and Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium...

Anyway, on topic: I never opposed them or I never wrote they would never start (contrary to Powdair, where I was the only one here who wrote it was a scam). But yes, it looks strange to me what they're doing now: too little time between bookings-open and first flight - unlogic flight schedule (2 aircraft but no outgoing flights on days 5-6) - no use of the financial incentive that Brussels Airport offers - use of an airport that is difficult to reach compared to BRU.

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Legislation text: Als misleidend wordt beschouwd een handelspraktijk die gepaard gaat met onjuiste informatie en derhalve op onwaarheden berust of, zelfs als de informatie feitelijk correct is, de gemiddelde consument op enigerlei wijze, inclusief door de algemene presentatie, bedriegt of kan bedriegen ten aanzien van een of meer van de volgende elementen, en de gemiddelde consument er zowel in het ene als in het andere geval toe brengt of kan brengen een besluit over een transactie te nemen dat hij anders niet had genomen.

Une pratique commerciale est réputée trompeuse si elle contient des informations fausses ou si, d’une manière quelconque, y compris par sa présentation générale, elle induit ou est susceptible d’induire en erreur le consommateur, en ce qui concerne un ou plusieurs éléments ( existence ou nature du produit ou du service, ses caractéristiques principales, le prix…), même si les informations présentées sont factuellement correctes, et qu’elle l’amène ou est susceptible de l’amener à prendre une décision commerciale qu’il n’aurait pas prise autrement.
I suffer far less from ryanitis then you suffer from the opposite. Amavro’s post above yours points it out perfectly. As a final thought, none of my friends and family are into aviation and have flown from both BRU and CRL .... and amazingly have never managed to end up at the wrong airport?! I know ... pretty surprising right? :) Don’t try and justify your hidden agenda

Secondly, can we drop the bloody flag discussion? Have they ever stated it was the Belgian flag? For all we know, they just wanted to use the colors and to be honest, it’s one of the most striking liveries that have graced the Belgian skies in a long time (bar the SN special liveries then)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by JOVAN » 04 Apr 2018, 18:45

Good that Bralo/Passenger promissed to stop the issue of the flag.

Indeed best livery seen in years.

Let us give this project a fair chance. What can be against having flights, by a Belgian airline to China, USA, Latam, etc.

The project looks sound and very professional.

Has it been boycotted by authorities (AOC) ? I think yes. But finally the Kafka's have lost. AB wins.

Good Luck to AB . Make us proud !! and F... the arrogant Germans of LH

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by DeltaWiskey » 04 Apr 2018, 19:41

JOVAN wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 18:45
Has it been boycotted by authorities (AOC) ? I think yes.
I think no. If the authorities wanted to boycot Air Belgium, they would still be waiting for their AOC. The BCAA can always find a reason to ground an airline or revoke an AOC, even for TUI fly, Brussels Airlines, etc. If they have a different interpretation of the law, their interpretation becomes the law.
I think Air Belgium (and Niki Terzakis) just underestimated the work to get an AOC from 0.

I hope they have a successful launch.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Ansett » 04 Apr 2018, 19:52

Amavro wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 14:22

Let's be objective please. Ok, the choice of CRL might be controversial, but under no circomstances they are misleading by saying "Brussels south" as long as other companies do the very same, and CRL is not so far from Brussels City. This is marketing. There are plenty of airports doing the same thing. And of course they are advertising Brussels, even if they fly from CRL. When you go to London, even if you land at Gatwick, Stansted, Luton or Heathrow, you go to London, and every airoport is advertising for that.
You must be stupid to advertise for Charleroi, isn'it ?
For the taxes on the website, i've checked it with my sister who is a lawyer, and there is nothing illegal.

Stop complaining about everything, for godness sake there is a BELGIAN airline, everyone should be supporting it.
I agree. Let's stop complaining. Let us support the only Belgian airline we still have. They will have teething problems, too. So, what ?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by crew1990 » 04 Apr 2018, 19:56

But is Air Belgium 100% Belgian, I though half of the investment were Chinese?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 04 Apr 2018, 20:06

crew1990 wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 19:56
But is Air Belgium 100% Belgian, I though half of the investment were Chinese?
As far as I know all management and personnel is Belgian with the exception of the Mandarin speakers.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by jan_olieslagers » 04 Apr 2018, 20:07

It has been said repeatedly that 100% Belgian doesn't exist anymore - I am sure even Manneken Pis has Chinese shareholders these days :mrgreen:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Ansett » 04 Apr 2018, 21:18

crew1990 wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 19:56
But is Air Belgium 100% Belgian, I though half of the investment were Chinese?
You've got a point (49.9 % Chinese), but 50,1 % Belgian (if my memory serves me right). It's better than 0 %.
And from past and recent experience we know that nobody in Belgium wants to seriously invest in aviation in general, although it creates many direct and indirect jobs.

Let's rejoyce and put aside our differences of opinion for once ;)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by crew1990 » 04 Apr 2018, 22:07

Actually I don't care where the shareholders comes from, as long as employee based in Belgium are under a Belgian contract and paying their taxes in Belgium. But saying Air Belgium is the only "Belgian" airline is to me very unfair.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Poiu » 04 Apr 2018, 23:06

crew1990 wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 22:07
Actually I don't care where the shareholders comes from, as long as employee based in Belgium are paying their taxes in Belgium.
They will pay their taxes in the same way as employees of SN, TUI...
Which doesn’t necessarily mean Belgium for employees living abroad, they will have to comply with what is written in the double taxation agreements.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by lumumba » 04 Apr 2018, 23:18

crew1990 wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 22:07
Actually I don't care where the shareholders comes from, as long as employee based in Belgium are under a Belgian contract and paying their taxes in Belgium. But saying Air Belgium is the only "Belgian" airline is to me very unfair.
It will be not only Belgian,but it will be the most Belgian passenger airline that will exist.
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Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 04 Apr 2018, 23:41

JOVAN wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 18:45
Good that Bralo/Passenger promissed to stop the issue of the flag.
I didn't post anything about that flag issue. I just watched it passing by.

JOVAN wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 18:45
Has it been boycotted by authorities (AOC) ? I think yes. But finally the Kafka's have lost. AB wins.
Yes, they have been boycotted.
If you mean that "the Kafka's" = the Belgian CAA, then the Kafka's have won. They have managed to keep the circus ongoing for more then two years.

JOVAN wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 18:45
Make us proud !! and F... the arrogant Germans of LH
Your language is nothing to be proud of.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by SLM » 05 Apr 2018, 10:27

Is Air Belgium 'happy' with the reservations? Is it going fast or slow?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by lumumba » 05 Apr 2018, 11:03

One thing is sure is that BCSA will extend the runway because Air Belgium and that is very positive.
Because without them it could take much more time.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 05 Apr 2018, 14:16

BSCA has already also invested in raising the level of Rescue and Fire Fighting services to cope with larger aircraft.

In the current AIP it is still Code 7 but by Notam it is Code 9 since 01APR.

A0911/18 –
RESCUE AND FIRE FIGHTING CATEGORY UPGRADED TO CAT9.
01 APR 04:00 2018 UNTIL PERM.
CREATED: 01 APR 01:20 2018


The Aerodrome Category for Rescue and Fire Fighting is determined by the overall length and fuselage width of the most demanding aircraft.
See table below.


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Because of the B738 being 0.50 m longer than the upper limit of Code 6, EBCI was code 7 and hence able to cope with all the single aisle aircraft using the airport.
Now with the A343 it needs to beef up the ARFF to Code 9.
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Of course the airport may have had already more than the basic minimum required in terms of number of RFF vehicles (2 for Code 7, min 3 for Code 9) but one of our reporters can find that out.
;)

H.A.

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