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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by luchtzak » 27 Feb 2018, 17:03

convair wrote:
27 Feb 2018, 16:37
Re the AOC, can't they sue the administration if it's dragging its feet unduly?
Why would you do that ?

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Stij » 27 Feb 2018, 17:51

convair wrote:
27 Feb 2018, 16:37
Re the AOC, can't they sue the administration if it's dragging its feet unduly?
Sure you can, but that's the guarantee you'll never get it...

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by N77014 » 27 Feb 2018, 20:48

If, and I insist on "IF" the delay is due to the BCAA, this would be a real scandal, and I would be angry that part of the taxes that are withheld from my monthly salary would be used to pay such kind of people. That would be total abuse of their situation and power, and thus I sincerely hope this is not the case, proving we are living in a more civilised country than one might think. If it is the case, I am deeply ashamed in their place. No other words for it.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by convair » 27 Feb 2018, 21:03

N77014 wrote:
27 Feb 2018, 20:48
If, and I insist on "IF" the delay is due to the BCAA, this would be a real scandal, and I would be angry that part of the taxes that are withheld from my monthly salary would be used to pay such kind of people. That would be total abuse of their situation and power, and thus I sincerely hope this is not the case, proving we are living in a more civilised country than one might think. If it is the case, I am deeply ashamed in their place. No other words for it.
I fully share that opinion.
convair wrote:
27 Feb 2018, 16:37
Re the AOC, can't they sue the administration if it's dragging its feet unduly?
When I wrote that, I didn't imply that it was the case, but some members here hinted that there was pressure/lobbying on the administration in order to delay/deny the AOC, hence my question.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Boeing767copilot » 27 Feb 2018, 21:22

The only and the biggest challenge for the BCAA is to track the origins of the AB capital and the money flow.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Passenger » 28 Feb 2018, 10:34

Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Feb 2018, 21:22
The only and the biggest challenge for the BCAA is to track the origins of the AB capital and the money flow.
I don't know if the Belgian CAA does this research/investigation themselves - I guess they will ask a financial comment report from an external company revisor with some aviation experience - example the Belgocontrol revisor. But no revisor can deny the negative ratio's in their first annual account (no turnover indeed):
http://cri.nbb.be/bc9/web/catalog?lang= ... 0648801623

The registration of OO-ABA and OO-ABB suggests that they have recieved confirmation that their "exploitation licence" is upcoming. There has probably been a change in their financial structure, though not published yet in Belgium's State Gazette:
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_ts ... iste=Liste

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 28 Feb 2018, 11:21

Passenger wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 10:34
.....
The registration of OO-ABA and OO-ABB suggests that they have recieved confirmation that their "exploitation licence" is upcoming. There has probably been a change in their financial structure, though not published yet in Belgium's State Gazette:
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_ts ... iste=Liste
And while at it they'd better correct the VAT number !

Should be BE0648 ...

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Don't ask me why but that kind of thing jumps to my eyes.
A Notary act must be spotless.

Well, probably not the reason for the delay in obtaining the AOC of course.

H.A.

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 28 Feb 2018, 11:27

Seems I had an issue with the second attachment :
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Shonix » 28 Feb 2018, 11:48

Well, they stated during their press conference that they expect the AOC to be delivery by end of February. Today is the 28th and and still no news. Quite an unbearable situation for them...

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by luchtzak » 28 Feb 2018, 12:17

Air Belgium OO-ABA expected at Brussels Airport this evening:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-b ... ort-today/

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by CTBke » 28 Feb 2018, 12:21

Shonix wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 11:48
Well, they stated during their press conference that they expect the AOC to be delivery by end of February. Today is the 28th and and still no news. Quite an unbearable situation for them...
Website is still the same as well .. no booking possible ...
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by SLM » 28 Feb 2018, 13:40

At what time is OO-ABA expected at Brussels Airport? Tx

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by TLspotting » 28 Feb 2018, 13:44

SLM wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 13:40
At what time is OO-ABA expected at Brussels Airport? Tx
18-19 local I saw...
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by luchtzak » 28 Feb 2018, 15:49

Now 22:00

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Bralo20 » 28 Feb 2018, 17:49

According to VRT De Redactie the reason why they didn't get the AOC was because Air Belgium hadn't a plane registered to them? :mrgreen:

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/28 ... vliegtuig/

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Boeing767copilot » 28 Feb 2018, 18:25

Bralo20 wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 17:49
According to VRT De Redactie the reason why they didn't get the AOC was because Air Belgium hadn't a plane registered to them? :mrgreen:

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/28 ... vliegtuig/
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by TLspotting » 28 Feb 2018, 18:31

Website under maintenance !
Will they open bookings ? I think so... #ToBeContinued
Screenshot_2018-02-28-18-26-44.png
On ab{...}.com/fr :
"Drupal is under maintenance"
On ab{...}.com/nl :
"The file cannot be created"
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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Passenger » 28 Feb 2018, 19:05

Around 19u local time, a Pilatus PC-12 has landed at Tarbes Airport.

Registration: OO-PCJ.

Coming from... CRL Charleroi.
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OO-PCJ 28 febr 2018.jpg

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by Auka » 28 Feb 2018, 19:17

Passenger wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 19:05
Around 19u local time, a Pilatus PC-12 has landed at Tarbes Airport.

Registration: OO-PCJ.

Coming from... CRL Charleroi.
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OO-PCJ 28 febr 2018.jpg
To bring the pilots ?

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Re: Air Belgium: a rebirth?

Post by pitrixplanespotting » 28 Feb 2018, 19:18

Euh, do they have that much money to charter a pc-12 for there pilots? :P

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