Crash Saratov Airlines Antonov An-148 reg. RA-61704 near Moscow, 71 fatalities

[Passenger]

Interfax reports:
http://www.interfax.com/

15:15 ORSK-BOUND AN-148 JET OPERATED BY SARATOV AIRLINES WENT OFF RADAR AFTER DEPARTING FROM MOSCOW'S DOMODEDOVO AIRPORT

15:18 EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE CHECKING INFORMATION ABOUT AN-148 JET'S CRASHING IN MOSCOW REGION'S RAMENSKOYE DISTRICT WITH 71 PEOPLE ON BOARD

15:20 AN-148 JET OPERATED BY SARATOV AIRLINES CRASHES NEAR ARGUNOVO VILLAGE IN MOSCOW REGION

15:29 An-148 jet of Saratov Airlines crashes near Argunovo village in Moscow Region

15:31 EYEWITNESSES SEE BURNING AIRPLANE FALL IN MOSCOW REGION - SOURCE

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-148

[-KoeKe-]

Plane: RA-61704
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... 4#106596d0

[Mavke]

I do not want to anticipate the facts, it seems to me a sudden loss of lift , No/bad de-icing ?

[Passenger]

The aircraft history, posted on Aviation-Safety.net, shows that aircraft was only in use with the airline since 3 days, after a two years storage:

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20180211-0

??/05/2010 : first flight RA-61704
23/06/2010 : Rossiya registered
14/04/2015 : Rossiya stored at St. Petersburg
08/02/2017 : Saratov Airlines leased

[Passenger]

...The remains of a second aircraft, a helicopter, were found near the crash site. Russian Media are reporting the two aircraft collided in midair...

http://avherald.com/h?article=4b4cb236&opt=0

[crew1990]

I do not want to anticipate the facts, it seems to me a sudden loss of lift , No/bad de-icing ?

If it was a problem with de-icing,the aircraft wouldn't lift at all.

[sn26567]

Story on main page: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/sarat ... ared-dead/

[quixoticguide]

All pax are dead, on board the aircraft were 71 people - 65 passengers and 6 crew members.

[Bralo20]

Apparently also the first (fatal) accident of the airline in it's 87 years of operation.

[-KoeKe-]

The aircraft history, posted on Aviation-Safety.net, shows that aircraft was only in use with the airline since 3 days, after a two years storage:

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20180211-0

??/05/2010 : first flight RA-61704
23/06/2010 : Rossiya registered
14/04/2015 : Rossiya stored at St. Petersburg
08/02/2017 : Saratov Airlines leased

It was already 1 year leased to Saratov Airlines.

[sn26567]

...The remains of a second aircraft, a helicopter, were found near the crash site. Russian Media are reporting the two aircraft collided in midair...

Interfax later dropped the reports of a helicopter being involved.

Russia's Post Office reported there was a bag of about 20kg mail on board of the AN-148. The bag may have triggered the agency reports of a midair collision with a post office helicopter, however Russia's Post Office does not operate helicopters in the Moscow region.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4b4cb236&opt=0

[Mavke]

Reports now state that the pilot refused de-icing prior to departing from Domodedovo (DME).

Also, the pilot requested an emergency landing in Zhukovsky.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2018-02-11/chto-i ... podmoskove

[quixoticguide]

Reports now state that the pilot refused de-icing prior to departing from Domodedovo (DME).

Also, the pilot requested an emergency landing in Zhukovsky.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2018-02-11/chto-i ... podmoskove

Zhukovsky denies this.

[crew1990]

anyway, the plane was flying and climbing so it cannot be something related to de-icing

[jan_olieslagers]

it cannot be something related to de-icing

I am not so sure there- could it not happen if the plane suddenly entered a mass of cold humid air? Undercooled rain? That said, the plane was seen going down in flames (if the witnesses may be believed), and icing rarely causes a fire.

Zhukovsky denies this.

Hm, isn't that a bit of local tradition / folklore ? Everybody denies everything unless it's really impossible?

[FLYAIR10]

According to the witnesses on the ground on the VRT news: explosion,fireball going down,shokwave,debris scattered all around the place.
Terrorism act or something else to explain the explosion..?

[convair]

R.I.P. for the 71 victims!

[Engelado]

Flight 6W703 Taking off from Demodedovo (DME) Airport in Moscow crashed shortly after take-off.
https://youtu.be/bGtFhC-JkWk

[sn26567]

Saratov Airlines grounds all its An-148 aircraft.

[jan_olieslagers]

VRT now reporting - in one and the same article! - that the plane crashed in one piece, and that debris is spread over 30 ha (which amounts to a circle of 2 km diameter, or slightly less). No comment...

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/12 ... n-terreur/