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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Ansett » 07 Nov 2018, 19:13

I will speak for myself (but think it is the opinion of many forum members), when we "bash" SN, we use SN because it is shorter. Most of us, I think, target the top managers and not the front line soldiers who do a good job with the means put at their disposal.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 07 Nov 2018, 20:36

Passenger wrote:
07 Nov 2018, 15:58

Indeed: Brussels Airlines failed this time. But such a failure is rare for them. And the SN-bashers (like you) never state that it's the airlines' CEO own fault when such things happen.
Its funny to be called a “basher” as, when you read all of my posts, you will find both positive and negative about every airline that I wrote about. Same can’t be said about everyone .....

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Sai » 09 Nov 2018, 09:54

Sai wrote:
06 Nov 2018, 15:17
More: article on HLN.be (in dutch);
"Brussels Airlines has 2 'fume' incidents in 3 days."
Summary:
There have been two so-called 'fume' incidents at Brussels Airlines in three days. This involves heavily contaminated, toxic air from the engines in the cabin or in the cockpit. On Saturday, after the landing, the entire crew had to go to the hospital to the emergency department and yesterday, pilots had to land with their oxygen mask.
"We realize that fume events are a problem that occurs throughout the industry" the airline reacts.

More coverage in the media since 'new' testimonies:

"Toxic vapors are due to lax maintenance" claims a former SN technician.
article on HLN.be (in dutch);
Summary:
Part of the incidents with toxic air could have been avoided according to a technician who worked for years at Brussels Airlines. Maintenance protocol would not be strictly followed. "Replacing the oil is too lax, causing leaks." The airline denies:" We always strictly follow the procedures."

"Brussels Airlines knows where vapors are coming from. But ignores it"
article on HLN.be (in dutch);

More:"Former technician testifies about 'fume events': reported many times to managing staff." article & video on VTM News (in dutch);

"Stewardess testifies about 'fume event'" article & video on VTM News (in dutch);

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 10 Nov 2018, 12:31

Any "unofficial" statistics of SN's performance for October?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 10 Nov 2018, 20:40

convair wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 12:31
Any "unofficial" statistics of SN's performance for October?
Hidden in the Eurowings magma :(
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 11 Nov 2018, 10:18

SN502 JFK - BRU this morning was operated by A340-300 in EW livery. 🤨

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Post by TLspotting » 11 Nov 2018, 12:22

OO-SCX, indeed
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Conti764 » 12 Nov 2018, 17:54

Boeing767copilot wrote:
11 Nov 2018, 10:18
SN502 JFK - BRU this morning was operated by A340-300 in EW livery. 🤨
Well, technically it's still an SN plane, so it's logical SN deploys it on one of their own flights. At least it's better than leasing another plane and this way, pax can get used a litte bit to flying EW...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 12 Nov 2018, 23:14

Same scenario tomorrow apparently.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Matt » 14 Nov 2018, 09:28

Indeed, saw it taking off this morning at work.

Just me or is the A340 significantly louder than the new A330 with trent700 engines?

Sorry for the bad picture, took if with my phone.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Stij » 14 Nov 2018, 09:43

Welcome to Aviation24 Matt!

I'm afraid I don't see a picture... could be because it's your first post...

Cheers,

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Matt » 14 Nov 2018, 09:46

Woops! Appearently too big and didnt see the :!: :D

Here's a link to the picture :D

https://imgur.com/a/g2OR09B

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by C96C » 14 Nov 2018, 18:09

OO-SFJ, an ex LH A333, which will be wetleased to Eurowings in the near future, is sheduled to operate flight SN1205 to Dakar tomorrow (15/11). It will be the first flight of OO-SFJ in SN/EW-service.

source:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-sfj
https://www.brusselsairport.be/en/passe ... 605SN1205D

I thought it would probably be an error from FR24, but then I checked the Brussels Airport site for confirmation.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 14 Nov 2018, 18:54

C96C wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 18:09
OO-SFJ, an ex LH A333, which will be wetleased to Eurowings in the near future, is sheduled to operate flight SN1205 to Dakar tomorrow (15/11). It will be the first flight of OO-SFJ in SN/EW-service.

source:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-sfj
https://www.brusselsairport.be/en/passe ... 605SN1205D

I thought it would probably be an error from FR24, but then I checked the Brussels Airport site for confirmation.

Well, the picture is not 100% clear.
According to Flightstats, flight SN205 15NOV :
14NOV 10:00z : Tail number changed to OO-SFJ
14NOV 12:54z : Changed to OO-SFC
14NOV 16:02z : Changed to OO-SFM
14NOV 16:05z : Changed to OO-SFJ
14NOV 16:59z : Status changed from scheduled to cancelled.
There is no SN1205 on Flightstats for tomorrow.

Brusselsairport.be at 17:45z : BRU-DSS on 15NOV : SN1205, delayed 11:05LT scheduled to 13:30.

At the same time, FR24 shows planning for OO-SFJ as
15NOV, BRU-DSS SN205 STD 11:05 : Cancelled.
16NOV, BRU-DSS SN203 STD 11:25 ; Scheduled.

Another day in paradise for the gals and guys at SN Ops & Mx it seems.

H.A.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by skumfiduse » 14 Nov 2018, 19:01

C96C wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 18:09
OO-SFJ, an ex LH A333, which will be wetleased to Eurowings in the near future, is sheduled to operate flight SN1205 to Dakar tomorrow (15/11). It will be the first flight of OO-SFJ in SN/EW-service.

source:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-sfj
https://www.brusselsairport.be/en/passe ... 605SN1205D

I thought it would probably be an error from FR24, but then I checked the Brussels Airport site for confirmation.
I wonder what's the reason of OO-SFJ and OO-SCX operating Brussels Airlines flights. Is LH/EW testing the waters? Or is LH/EW supporting SN in their fleet renewal/issues and thus avoiding a more expensive ad-hoc external lease of equipment?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by C96C » 14 Nov 2018, 20:17

skumfiduse wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 19:01
I wonder what's the reason of OO-SFJ and OO-SCX operating Brussels Airlines flights. Is LH/EW testing the waters? Or is LH/EW supporting SN in their fleet renewal/issues and thus avoiding a more expensive ad-hoc external lease of equipment?
I guess the AOG of OO-SFZ

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by RoMax » 14 Nov 2018, 20:24

skumfiduse wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 19:01
I wonder what's the reason of OO-SFJ and OO-SCX operating Brussels Airlines flights. Is LH/EW testing the waters? Or is LH/EW supporting SN in their fleet renewal/issues and thus avoiding a more expensive ad-hoc external lease of equipment?
SFY is in C check and SFZ is still AOG.
So SN simply has a shortage on a few days of the week and they fill that gap with THEIR OWN AIRCRAFT. It doesn't matter that they are in EW paint and intended for EW wet-lease ops, they are still aircraft in SN's fleet and if they are not needed in Germany now and/or if EW can operate its flights with their other aircraft, it would be nonsense to get an expensive wet-lease with more often than not an inferior cabin and service while you have aircraft with LH cabin and SN crew available in the fleet.

Btw, do you really think LH/EW would spent special time, effort, money to test the waters like that? xp A decision on branding isn't exactly going to be based on 'testing the waters' with a few occasional flights by EW branded aircraft :p

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 15 Nov 2018, 11:50

In the wake of the future developments with EW, this one was published this morning on "La Libre" ...

Happy readings. ;)
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 15 Nov 2018, 12:33

In brief:

1.LH doesn't care about SN. Spohr's pet project is Eurowings, and he wants it to succeed. But currently SN is doing well, and Eurowings not: heavy losses due to the integration of Air Berlin and rising fuel costs.

2. Spohr's credibility could be affected if Eurowings fails. But it cannot compete on costs with more efficient Ryanair and easyJet.

3. The integration of SN into EW is on the backburner and will be slow; there is resistance against a name change in Brussels.

My initial idea remains: it was a big mistake to try and integrate SN into EW. It should have been a network airline just like Swiss or Austrian.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 15 Nov 2018, 13:29

I fully agree. It's also stupid (maybe even a little childish) to deny BRU the status of hub; as hinted in the La Libre article, it's kind of inviting the competition to take it up.

The popular success of Air Belgium (in spite of its many mistakes and hiccups) on this forum should make CS (start to) think. ;)

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