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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by FLYAIR10 » 10 Sep 2018, 10:14

by pijaleu » 10 Sep 2018, 08:46
Hello,

Since 1st Sept there is no longer Brussels Airlines Cargo (082-prefix for Airwaybill numbers).
It is all replaced by Lufthansa Cargo (020-prefix).

As a result:
A TOTAL EMBARGO FOR CARGO ON BRUSSELS AIRLINES TO KINSHASA.
...
And on a side note: More and more cargo (especially IAD, JFK, YYZ and BOM) might go via FRA or other "real" Lufthansa stations ? And a tiny bit might come to BRU as extra options if space restricted at those stations...
(info received from a very close friend working at Brucargo)

Thanks a lot.

Pijaleu
This is for sure not to the advantage of the shippers located in or close to Belgium!

I remember when Swisscargo took over SN's cargo ops, SR routed all possible cargo through ZRH,even when the transit-leadtimes for our goods was significant longer. We had to insist to use direct flights from BRU,but if you didn't keep an eye on it it was routed through ZRH,even in several installments,on several flights. At the end we re-routed a lot of our cargo through AMS,which was more secure at that time.
I'm afraid a similar scenario could develop now with LH taking over SN cargo operation....

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Ansett » 10 Sep 2018, 17:38

These two posts confirm imho that CS is the prophet of doom for SN and they remind us, indeed, of a similar scenario. Some ominous predictions of a number of forum members might, unfortunately, materialize.

And : What's happening in the Congo ? Nothing new. Just that LH does not know how to do business in Congo.
pijaleu wrote:
10 Sep 2018, 08:46
Hello,

Since 1st Sept there is no longer Brussels Airlines Cargo (082-prefix for Airwaybill numbers).
It is all replaced by Lufthansa Cargo (020-prefix).

As a result:
A TOTAL EMBARGO FOR CARGO ON BRUSSELS AIRLINES TO KINSHASA.

Rumours go President Kabila does not want Lufthansa in his country.
True?
Probably the truth is somewhat different, but the fact is Brussels Airlines is hit again, after first losing several flights a week, now no cargo revenue anymore.

What's going on in Congo?

Anyone with more information?

And on a side note: More and more cargo (especially IAD, JFK, YYZ and BOM) might go via FRA or other "real" Lufthansa stations ? And a tiny bit might come to BRU as extra options if space restricted at those stations...
(info received from a very close friend working at Brucargo)

Thanks a lot.

Pijaleu
FLYAIR10 wrote:
10 Sep 2018, 10:14

This is for sure not to the advantage of the shippers located in or close to Belgium!

I remember when Swisscargo took over SN's cargo ops, SR routed all possible cargo through ZRH,even when the transit-leadtimes for our goods was significant longer. We had to insist to use direct flights from BRU,but if you didn't keep an eye on it it was routed through ZRH,even in several installments,on several flights. At the end we re-routed a lot of our cargo through AMS,which was more secure at that time.
I'm afraid a similar scenario could develop now with LH taking over SN cargo operation....
"LH taking over SN cargo operation" and what's going to happen next ? It's written in the clouded skies.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 11 Sep 2018, 00:05

Didn't LH say to SN, make money and then you can grow like Swiss....
Then LH takes important revenue away from SN... how are they supposed to make money!

Just read that 2 people from Air Berlin and Ryanair are putting together a project called Swiss Skies to fly long haul starting with 16 A321LRs...
Find a few people from Brussels Airlines maybe and put a similar project together in Brussels... forget LH...
Start operating flights from Brussels to all over North America where the 321LR can reach and negotiate for an African network.... if those guys can do it out of Basel there is no reason it can't be done out of Brussels!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Aerofool » 11 Sep 2018, 07:26

JustPlanes wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 00:05
Didn't LH say to SN, make money and then you can grow like Swiss....
Then LH takes important revenue away from SN... how are they supposed to make money!

Just read that 2 people from Air Berlin and Ryanair are putting together a project called Swiss Skies to fly long haul starting with 16 A321LRs...
Find a few people from Brussels Airlines maybe and put a similar project together in Brussels... forget LH...
Start operating flights from Brussels to all over North America where the 321LR can reach and negotiate for an African network.... if those guys can do it out of Basel there is no reason it can't be done out of Brussels!

And ask Bernard Gustin as CEO?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Conti764 » 11 Sep 2018, 09:21

JustPlanes wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 00:05
Didn't LH say to SN, make money and then you can grow like Swiss....
Then LH takes important revenue away from SN... how are they supposed to make money!
That's the LH hypocracy at play. They don't want SN to make money because it would prove SN would have a future inside LH... They want the company to underperform so at one day they can say "Told you so..." and pull the plug.

They're just sugarcoating what will turn out be a dicision taken a long time ago...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 11 Sep 2018, 09:24

Aerofool wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 07:26
And ask Bernard Gustin as CEO?
No, ask Flanker, he came up with the idea of narrow body longhaul years ago.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 11 Sep 2018, 13:32

Brussels Airlines records 16.6% passenger growth in August ... The pressure on the ticket price remains high, however.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... gust-2018/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Vic Diesel » 12 Sep 2018, 07:53

pijaleu wrote:
10 Sep 2018, 08:46
Hello,

Since 1st Sept there is no longer Brussels Airlines Cargo (082-prefix for Airwaybill numbers).
It is all replaced by Lufthansa Cargo (020-prefix).

As a result:
A TOTAL EMBARGO FOR CARGO ON BRUSSELS AIRLINES TO KINSHASA.

Rumours go President Kabila does not want Lufthansa in his country.
True?

Probably the truth is somewhat different, but the fact is Brussels Airlines is hit again, after first losing several flights a week, now no cargo revenue anymore.

What's going on in Congo?

Anyone with more information?

And on a side note: More and more cargo (especially IAD, JFK, YYZ and BOM) might go via FRA or other "real" Lufthansa stations ? And a tiny bit might come to BRU as extra options if space restricted at those stations...
(info received from a very close friend working at Brucargo)

Thanks a lot.

Pijaleu
Well, maybe it has nothing to do with LH, but with the worsening of diplomatic relations between Belgium and its former colony:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 97291.html

I guess this sounds a lot more plausible than mere rumours about Kabila not liking LH.
Best regards,
Viktor

(Budapest-born, Vienna-raised, working in Brussels)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 12 Sep 2018, 16:16

Anyone knows what happened to OO-SFO ?

It hasn't flown out of BRU since aug 28th...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 17 Sep 2018, 18:41

Eurowings to start Dusseldorf to Las Vegas service on 03 July 2019, with Brussels Airlines A330-300 or A340-300.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... july-2019/
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 18 Sep 2018, 06:37

Pretty amazing that the huge Lufthansa and Eurowings needs little Brussels Airlines to operate their long haul flights out of DUS... I think its pure bs... that is growth that Brussels Airlines could do for themselves out of BRU if LH had any interest in the success of the Belgian airline... but we know they don't... on the contrary... the sooner they can wrap things up the better for their #1 project.. Eurowings
Meanwhile other airlines will get onto the Belgian market and eat away at routes SN could be operating...
Primera is one... Norwegian may be another one... but there is a lot more... a few years ago there was no service to Iceland... and next summer there will be 3 flights a day on some days... and make no mistake... many or most of those pax are connecting to North America simply because SN's service pretty much doesn't exist... so LH would rather let other airlines eat away at the potential SN market share than keep it in the LH group.... very sad!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 18 Sep 2018, 10:07

JustPlanes wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 06:37
Pretty amazing that the huge Lufthansa and Eurowings needs little Brussels Airlines to operate their long haul flights out of DUS... I think its pure bs... that is growth that Brussels Airlines could do for themselves out of BRU if LH had any interest in the success of the Belgian airline...
The only reason is cheap labour contracts. EW-SN contracts are by far the worst you can find in Europe.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 18 Sep 2018, 11:32

Brussels Airlines invests further in its Africa network, and axes Mumbai (which should be reached via FRA, MUC or ZRH with LH and LX, so decides the boss! One less intercontinental destination for BRU).

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... es-mumbai/
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boavida » 18 Sep 2018, 11:55

JustPlanes wrote:
11 Sep 2018, 00:05
Didn't LH say to SN, make money and then you can grow like Swiss....
Then LH takes important revenue away from SN... how are they supposed to make money!

Just read that 2 people from Air Berlin and Ryanair are putting together a project called Swiss Skies to fly long haul starting with 16 A321LRs...
Find a few people from Brussels Airlines maybe and put a similar project together in Brussels... forget LH...
Start operating flights from Brussels to all over North America where the 321LR can reach and negotiate for an African network.... if those guys can do it out of Basel there is no reason it can't be done out of Brussels!
Euh,... Air Belgium ?

Seriously, I really hope and pray people are anticipating and preparing behind the scenes for 2019 and beyond when LH has killed Brussels Airlines. I hope there are serious contacts with Air Belgium to fill the gap at BRU for a Belgian carrier! LH is taking away routes from BRU and scraps our flag carrier and replaces it by their own low cost carrier with no (Belgian) identity whatsoever.

I really hope investors, chiefs of industry,... see the urgency and act.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by SabenaForever » 18 Sep 2018, 12:00

sn26567 wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 11:32
Brussels Airlines invests further in its Africa network, and axes Mumbai (which should be reached via FRA, MUC or ZRH with LH and LX, so decides the boss! One less intercontinental destination for BRU).

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... es-mumbai/
So Lufthansa is doing is job in BRU... Axes Mumbai.. i can not believe that a direct flight to India will not work, with the large Indian community and the Diamant sector. Business people don’t want to fly 1stop... i see a lot of passengers go to India via AMS. And sorry again No new destination to Africa.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by cathay belgium » 18 Sep 2018, 12:45

Hi,

At luchtvaartnieuws.nl they stated that it's confirmed that the Sukhoi Will be out from march...

Any belgian confirmation, news, replacements???

Thx

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Yuqu12 » 18 Sep 2018, 12:45

JustPlanes wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 06:37

Meanwhile other airlines will get onto the Belgian market and eat away at routes SN could be operating...
Primera is one... Norwegian may be another one... but there is a lot more... a few years ago there was no service to Iceland... and next summer there will be 3 flights a day on some days... and make no mistake... many or most of those pax are connecting to North America simply because SN's service pretty much doesn't exist...
If I'm not mistaken, Icelandair and even WOW Air I think offer complete travel packages of 2 weeks. One week Iceland and one week USA.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 18 Sep 2018, 13:12

SabenaForever wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 12:00
sn26567 wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 11:32
Brussels Airlines invests further in its Africa network, and axes Mumbai (which should be reached via FRA, MUC or ZRH with LH and LX, so decides the boss! One less intercontinental destination for BRU).

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... es-mumbai/
So Lufthansa is doing is job in BRU... Axes Mumbai.. i can not believe that a direct flight to India will not work, with the large Indian community and the Diamant sector. Business people don’t want to fly 1stop... i see a lot of passengers go to India via AMS. And sorry again No new destination to Africa.
I will connect via AMS or CDG. But maybe LH places a red carpet for other carriers ... where is Indigo? Have they decided where to go? And AI busy rebuilding a hub in Mumbai? In any case it will not be LH and it will be even less FRA!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Airbus330lover » 18 Sep 2018, 13:42

nordikcam wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 13:12
SabenaForever wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 12:00
sn26567 wrote:
18 Sep 2018, 11:32
Brussels Airlines invests further in its Africa network, and axes Mumbai (which should be reached via FRA, MUC or ZRH with LH and LX, so decides the boss! One less intercontinental destination for BRU).

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... es-mumbai/
So Lufthansa is doing is job in BRU... Axes Mumbai.. i can not believe that a direct flight to India will not work, with the large Indian community and the Diamant sector. Business people don’t want to fly 1stop... i see a lot of passengers go to India via AMS. And sorry again No new destination to Africa.
I will connect via AMS or CDG. But maybe LH places a red carpet for other carriers ... where is Indigo? Have they decided where to go? And AI busy rebuilding a hub in Mumbai? In any case it will not be LH and it will be even less FRA!
And LH thinks that most of the belgians will go to DUS to take a plane

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by MD-11forever » 18 Sep 2018, 14:06

Just one question: Was the Mumbai route making money or losing money? If it was profitable, there was absolutely no reason to axe the route. If the route was loss making, then Herr Spohr might have found a good reason to take it away from SN, given his focus on profits...

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