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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 06 Sep 2018, 09:17

On a side note Primera which just announced BRU-BOS/EWR/IAD and had also announce similar plane out of Berlin now announced Daily flights from FRA to JFK, BOS, YUL and YYZ I believe...
If EW ever becomes the airline in Brussels you're going to be able to get to many places using other airlines... I bet you within a year or 2 Norwegian will start putting planes in BRU... EW is not a guaranteed success... lots of players going after the German market! You just have to choose if you want to fly an old bus to the States operated by who knows what airline... or a brand new 737MAX9 operated by Primera for example... :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 06 Sep 2018, 14:10

Inquirer wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 10:03
: commercial aviation is a business envionment with little room for emotions, sympathy or nostalia, so none of this should come as a surprise in fact.
No shareholder is going to waste millions just for the sake of a historic name, some beloved logo, or a nostalic feeling around certain places: if it doesnt make sense, it needs to go, simple as that indeed.
It's something many around here seem to forget quite easily.
Similar to fans of football teams almost actually.
Quote from another topic, but equally valid in this one.
The arrival of MAX and NEO, is a gamechanger!
Triangular flights will become a thing of the past. For transatlantic there will be more and more non-stop flights between secondary airports on both sides of the pond.
SN needs to rethink its strategy or wil disappear, with or without a name change!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 06 Sep 2018, 15:41

Passenger wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 08:26
sean1982 wrote:
05 Sep 2018, 21:07
Conti764 wrote:
05 Sep 2018, 19:30
On a smaller level - this forum - we don't hear a lot anymore of tolipanebas where he always was very optimistic about SN's future within LH. Another writing on the wall?
The writing was already on the wall 3 years ago. Myself and others predicted most of whats happening now back then already. When doing so we we’re mocked, insulted, drowned in sarcasms and more by above forum member and other members too.
What a pity that you didn't predict 22nd March 2016: Brussels Airlines has calculated the loss from the terror attack to 79 mio Euro, with most of that outside Insurance coverage (source: annual account 2017).
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the LH take over and how they handle the company. How was the vinegar tasting this morning?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Stij » 06 Sep 2018, 16:56

Please play the ball and not the person.

Thank-you!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Traveler » 06 Sep 2018, 21:59

Does anybody know why the Loop programme of Brussels Airlines is under maintenance for months? Do they want to get rid of it?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 06 Sep 2018, 22:34

Traveler wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 21:59
Does anybody know why the Loop programme of Brussels Airlines is under maintenance for months? Do they want to get rid of it?
Just a wild guess: merger discussions with the similar Eurowings programme "Boomerang"?

This being said, I wonder why Brussels Airlines, just like Eurowings, feel the need to have two separate fidelity programmes. Does Miles&More not fill their needs?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Stij » 07 Sep 2018, 07:25

sn26567 wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 22:34
This being said, I wonder why Brussels Airlines, just like Eurowings, feel the need to have two separate fidelity programmes. Does Miles&More not fill their needs?
Probably because M&M didn't s*ck enough.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 07 Sep 2018, 11:58

sn26567 wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 22:34
Traveler wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 21:59
Does anybody know why the Loop programme of Brussels Airlines is under maintenance for months? Do they want to get rid of it?
Just a wild guess: merger discussions with the similar Eurowings programme "Boomerang"?

This being said, I wonder why Brussels Airlines, just like Eurowings, feel the need to have two separate fidelity programmes. Does Miles&More not fill their needs?
Because Eurowings is NOT part of Star Alliance. SN still is.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by CTBke » 07 Sep 2018, 14:31

Darjeeling wrote:
07 Sep 2018, 11:58
sn26567 wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 22:34
Traveler wrote:
06 Sep 2018, 21:59
Does anybody know why the Loop programme of Brussels Airlines is under maintenance for months? Do they want to get rid of it?
Just a wild guess: merger discussions with the similar Eurowings programme "Boomerang"?

This being said, I wonder why Brussels Airlines, just like Eurowings, feel the need to have two separate fidelity programmes. Does Miles&More not fill their needs?
Because Eurowings is NOT part of Star Alliance. SN still is.
yeah so why does SN needs another separate mileage program ?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by travellover » 08 Sep 2018, 09:29

Even if it's never too late in the aviation market, the arrival of PF at BRU indicates that it's a missed opportunity for the LH management, UA and SN. As for EWR early evening flight than for BOS.
Probably, in 2019 and beyond, SN should keep flying daily on JFK with it's own metal as JFK is not a UA hub.

And when will the next growing plans to Africa be unveiled for SN ? Will it be in 2019 ?
More frequencies, NBO back on the map ? LBV ? LOS ?
The competition is moving : AF (more frequencies to NBO, etc.), KL, KQ (new flight to JFK),
ET expanding network and investing money in other african airlines :
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/14/afri ... index.html
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/new ... index.html

And these are examples.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 08 Sep 2018, 10:38

travellover wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 09:29
Even if it's never too late in the aviation market, the arrival of PF at BRU indicates that it's a missed opportunity for the LH management, UA and SN. As for EWR early evening flight than for BOS.
Probably, in 2019 and beyond, SN should keep flying daily on JFK with it's own metal as JFK is not a UA hub.

And when will the next growing plans to Africa be unveiled for SN ? Will it be in 2019 ?
More frequencies, NBO back on the map ? LBV ? LOS ?
The competition is moving : AF (more frequencies to NBO, etc.), KL, KQ (new flight to JFK),
ET expanding network and investing money in other african airlines :
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/14/afri ... index.html
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/new ... index.html

And these are examples.
LH is too busy developing EW's presence at DUS to remember that she bought SN and therefore a big chunk of BRU's traffic. She will remember when EW will become profitable in 2 or 3 years ... probably too late once again! I hope for BRU that they will not put all their eggs in the LH basket and sincerely that SN will survive even if personally I have taken other long-haul habits via CDG or AMS.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by b720 » 08 Sep 2018, 12:33

nordikcam wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 10:38
travellover wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 09:29
Even if it's never too late in the aviation market, the arrival of PF at BRU indicates that it's a missed opportunity for the LH management, UA and SN. As for EWR early evening flight than for BOS.
Probably, in 2019 and beyond, SN should keep flying daily on JFK with it's own metal as JFK is not a UA hub.

And when will the next growing plans to Africa be unveiled for SN ? Will it be in 2019 ?
More frequencies, NBO back on the map ? LBV ? LOS ?
The competition is moving : AF (more frequencies to NBO, etc.), KL, KQ (new flight to JFK),
ET expanding network and investing money in other african airlines :
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/14/afri ... index.html
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/new ... index.html

And these are examples.
LH is too busy developing EW's presence at DUS to remember that she bought SN and therefore a big chunk of BRU's traffic. She will remember when EW will become profitable in 2 or 3 years ... probably too late once again! I hope for BRU that they will not put all their eggs in the LH basket and sincerely that SN will survive even if personally I have taken other long-haul habits via CDG or AMS.
It is already too late..
and ET has become a natural choice to central east and Southern Africa from almost every point in Europe, competitive fares, very good service, and the airline is making money!!!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 08 Sep 2018, 13:35

b720 wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 12:33
It is already too late..
and ET has become a natural choice to central east and Southern Africa from almost every point in Europe, competitive fares, very good service, and the airline is making money!!!

...except that the airport of Addis Ababa is not a transfer airport at the height of what one would expect ...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 08 Sep 2018, 13:42

And it is 2 transfers for many pax from Europe to Afi destinations.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 08 Sep 2018, 15:06

convair wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 13:42
And it is 2 transfers for many pax from Europe to Afi destinations.
Correct, but this is also valid for SN on the triangular flights.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by b720 » 08 Sep 2018, 15:12

It s not bad.. why 2 transfers? They are flying nonstop to Addis from most of their destinations out of Europe.. even BRU to Addis is direct on some days.. airport in Addis is not fantastic but one flies state of the art aircraft, service on board is excellent.. prices are really really reasonable.. their C class product is very good as well and cheaper than that of the European competition, often for half of the price.. for a pax in Geneva or Manchester for instance SN or KL/AF is no longer the only options to Africa.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 08 Sep 2018, 16:23

Till winter time the BRU ADD is direct but with stop in MXP or VIE. No BRU ADD. In winter time flight will be MAN BRU ADD...new competition for SN.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 08 Sep 2018, 17:50

Poiu wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 15:06
convair wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 13:42
And it is 2 transfers for many pax from Europe to Afi destinations.
Correct, but this is also valid for SN on the triangular flights.
On triangular flights, you normally do not transfer.
b720 wrote:
08 Sep 2018, 15:12
It s not bad.. why 2 transfers? They are flying nonstop to Addis from most of their destinations out of Europe.. even BRU to Addis is direct on some days.. airport in Addis is not fantastic but one flies state of the art aircraft, service on board is excellent.. prices are really really reasonable.. their C class product is very good as well and cheaper than that of the European competition, often for half of the price.. for a pax in Geneva or Manchester for instance SN or KL/AF is no longer the only options to Africa.
I tried to find a non-stop Manchester to Addis, but didn't find any; so that, if you fly beyond ADD, you have at least 2 transfers.

PS: 1. I don't want to emphasize that transfer thing too much, but it might be a factor for some people or under certain circumstances.
2. The reputation of ET is well-established, especially its C class, and they offer good bargains too.
3. Sorry, I'm a bit off-topic here.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by pijaleu » 10 Sep 2018, 08:46

Hello,

Since 1st Sept there is no longer Brussels Airlines Cargo (082-prefix for Airwaybill numbers).
It is all replaced by Lufthansa Cargo (020-prefix).

As a result:
A TOTAL EMBARGO FOR CARGO ON BRUSSELS AIRLINES TO KINSHASA.

Rumours go President Kabila does not want Lufthansa in his country.
True?
Probably the truth is somewhat different, but the fact is Brussels Airlines is hit again, after first losing several flights a week, now no cargo revenue anymore.

What's going on in Congo?

Anyone with more information?

And on a side note: More and more cargo (especially IAD, JFK, YYZ and BOM) might go via FRA or other "real" Lufthansa stations ? And a tiny bit might come to BRU as extra options if space restricted at those stations...
(info received from a very close friend working at Brucargo)

Thanks a lot.

Pijaleu

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by lumumba » 10 Sep 2018, 09:37

Do somebody now if Luanda keeps two flights a week or if it goes back to three on the winter schedule?
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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