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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 24 Jun 2018, 20:59

Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2018, 20:11
Tomorrow D-day: pilotstrikes or not? Who will say?
The preliminary results of the referendum would show a slight majority for refusing the management's proposals.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 24 Jun 2018, 21:20

Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2018, 20:11
Tomorrow D-day: pilotstrikes or not? Who will say?
Tomorrow ??

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 24 Jun 2018, 22:36

luchtzak wrote:
24 Jun 2018, 21:20
Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2018, 20:11
Tomorrow D-day: pilotstrikes or not? Who will say?
Tomorrow ??
Tomorrow the results of the referendum will be published. The possible strike will depend on these results.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by KriVa » 25 Jun 2018, 09:27

Was the possible strike planned for today or for a date in the future?
Judging by the way the morning peak is ramping up, I don’t think there will be a strike today.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Omychron » 25 Jun 2018, 11:50

KriVa wrote:
25 Jun 2018, 09:27
Was the possible strike planned for today or for a date in the future?
Judging by the way the morning peak is ramping up, I don’t think there will be a strike today.
No, strike date is determined should the proposal not be accepted.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by KriVa » 25 Jun 2018, 13:59

I see, thanks for the info.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 25 Jun 2018, 16:47

The pilots reject the agreement between unions and management/ownership, but the pilots do not call for a new strike yet. "Negociations should continue".

Source: Flemish tv:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/06/25 ... vakbonden/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 25 Jun 2018, 20:14

Passenger wrote:
25 Jun 2018, 16:47
The pilots reject the agreement between unions and management/ownership, but the pilots do not call for a new strike yet. "Negociations should continue".

Source: Flemish tv:
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/06/25 ... vakbonden/
English:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... er-strike/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 07 Jul 2018, 11:47

Brussels Airlines - Tomorrowland decals on OO-SFX
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Pictures of OO-SSE landing at Stockholm Bromma: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... lm-bromma/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 08 Jul 2018, 10:28

Will there be a press conference tomorrow after the explanation meeting on the future of SN by the German bosses? Thx !

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Post by sn26567 » 08 Jul 2018, 15:03

nordikcam wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 10:28
Will there be a press conference tomorrow after the explanation meeting on the future of SN by the German bosses? Thx !
The press has not been called to the Brussels Airlines offices. But count on the unions to contact the media and give them the conclusions of the meeting.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 08 Jul 2018, 17:47

sn26567 wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 15:03
nordikcam wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 10:28
Will there be a press conference tomorrow after the explanation meeting on the future of SN by the German bosses? Thx!
The press has not been called to the Brussels Airlines offices. But count on the unions to contact the media and give them the conclusions of the meeting.
Rumours are that Lufthansa has decided that Brussels Airlines will continue to operate as airline. Rumours are that Lufthansa will deny tomorrow that Brussels Airlines will start fabricate vacuum cleaners.

Regarding "the future of Brussels Airlines": I guess that Lufthansa will explain the results for 2017: an operational profit of 3,92m € but a final loss of 61,87m €. Mainly due to the repayment of government aid (40,1m), increasing costs of the 22/03/2016 terror attack (to 76m and insurers refuse to cover all of it) and the integration of Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by CTBke » 08 Jul 2018, 18:15

Passenger wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 17:47
sn26567 wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 15:03
nordikcam wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 10:28
Will there be a press conference tomorrow after the explanation meeting on the future of SN by the German bosses? Thx!
The press has not been called to the Brussels Airlines offices. But count on the unions to contact the media and give them the conclusions of the meeting.
Rumours are that Lufthansa has decided that Brussels Airlines will continue to operate as airline. Rumours are that Lufthansa will deny tomorrow that Brussels Airlines will start fabricate vacuum cleaners.

Regarding "the future of Brussels Airlines": I guess that Lufthansa will explain the results for 2017: an operational profit of 3,92m € but a final loss of 61,87m €. Mainly due to the repayment of government aid (40,1m), increasing costs of the 22/03/2016 terror attack (to 76m and insurers refuse to cover all of it) and the integration of Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium.
Indeed they won't tell anything we didn't know yet ... or they could come with a surprise and outline the timeline for the integration/transformation ... last week I spotted a Eurowings car in front of the Bhouse ..
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 09 Jul 2018, 13:20

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... ngs-group/

New setup for Eurowings Group
  • Brussels Airlines set to become long-haul competence center of Eurowings Group
  • Eurowings airline will be responsible for the short-haul business of the Eurowings Group
  • Eurowings Group CEO Thorsten Dirks: “New strategic setup puts us at the helm of European airline consolidation”
After first successes of joint projects, Eurowings and Brussels Airlines will take the next decisive steps in the integration process, defining each other’s roles within the Eurowings Group.

Taking the expertise and strengths of both entities into consideration, Brussels Airlines will become the long-haul competence center of the Eurowings Group, steering all long-haul activities of the entire group out of Brussels. Next to that, the airline will actively participate in the Eurowings Group pan-European growth strategy by becoming the operator for the expansion to other airport bases in the French- and Dutch-speaking part of Europe.

“The successful launch of Eurowings long-haul flights operated by Brussels Airlines out of Düsseldorf to New York, Fort Meyers and Miami last April, reconfirms the long-haul expertise of the Brussels based airline,” said Eurowings Group CEO Thorsten Dirks. “In only five months Eurowings and Brussels Airlines have managed to set up a long-haul base at Düsseldorf, strengthening the group in one of its key German airports,” he added.

In parallel, Eurowings – focusing on European point-to-point traffic – will steer the entire short-haul portfolio of the Eurowings Group from Cologne. Dirks: “Joining forces with Brussels Airlines will not only strengthen our position as the #3 low-cost carrier in Europe but also spur further Eurowings Group growth in the future”, specifies Thorsten Dirks.

Both airlines will continue to operate long-haul and short-haul flights out of their respective bases Brussels, Cologne, Düsseldorf and Vienna. This also means that even though two competence centers are being created at Brussels and Cologne, there will remain functions for both long-haul and short-haul operations at both locations. Implementation of the new setup is planned for 2019. Eurowings Group already operates from more than 20 European bases today.

"Brussels Airlines is recognized for its expertise and for the value it adds to the Eurowings Group. We will continue building on our assets to become an even more important player within the group, while remaining Belgium's strong home carrier and continuing to focus on our guests," adds Christina Foerster, CEO of Brussels Airlines.

Eurowings Group CEO Thorsten Dirks is confident that this new teamwork structure under the umbrella of Eurowings Group is the right strategic step to meet future challenges. “The scattered European aviation landscape is beginning to consolidate – the new structure of Eurowings Group will make it possible for us to be at the helm of this development.”

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Post by quixoticguide » 09 Jul 2018, 13:58

Both airlines will continue to operate long-haul and short-haul flights out of their respective bases Brussels, Cologne, Düsseldorf and Vienna. This also means that even though two competence centers are being created at Brussels and Cologne, there will remain functions for both long-haul and short-haul operations at both locations. Implementation of the new setup is planned for 2019. Eurowings Group already operates from more than 20 European bases today.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 09 Jul 2018, 15:01

See my comments at the bottom of the press release on our homepage:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... ngs-group/

Alea jacta est! Brussels Airlines is definitively downgraded to the status of a low-cost airline. The honours for SWISS and Austrian Airlines (the “network airlines”, together with Lufthansa), the decline for Brussels Airlines, as if Brussels Airport might not be considered as a hub, as if Brussels Airlines has not an important hub in Brussels. Belgians are truly considered second-class citizens in the view of Lufthansa bosses. Because they don’t speak German?

In my view, this is the next step to the complete integration of Brussels Airlines into Eurowings, including the name. Not one word about a possible name change in the press release. The issue is too sensitive now, especially at a time when the Belgian Red Devils are scoring such nice results in the FIFA World Cup, contrarily to the German “Mannschaft” too filled with arrogance (perhaps like Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr who should understand that arrogance leads nowhere), the Austrians and the Swiss. But when the moment will be more favourable, just one diktat from Cologne and the name will be changed to Eurowings.

I notice the difference in wording: Brussels Airlines is a “centre of excellence” for the long-haul business, another word for “example”. But Eurowings is “responsible” for short-haul and keeps its “umbrella” over Brussels Airlines. That means Eurowings and only Eurowings will have the authority. Brussels Airlines might be considered as a model to follow for the intercontinental flights, but the orders will always come from Cologne.

Poor Brussels Airlines, poor Belgium…!
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 09 Jul 2018, 19:03

This is what Belga writes about today:

NL:
https://www.hln.be/geld/economie/ceo-br ... ~a2e8f89f/

FR:
https://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1536/Econom ... utur.dhtml

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 09 Jul 2018, 19:03

Passenger wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 17:47
sn26567 wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 15:03
nordikcam wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 10:28
Will there be a press conference tomorrow after the explanation meeting on the future of SN by the German bosses? Thx!
The press has not been called to the Brussels Airlines offices. But count on the unions to contact the media and give them the conclusions of the meeting.
Rumours are that Lufthansa has decided that Brussels Airlines will continue to operate as airline. Rumours are that Lufthansa will deny tomorrow that Brussels Airlines will start fabricate vacuum cleaners.

Regarding "the future of Brussels Airlines": I guess that Lufthansa will explain the results for 2017: an operational profit of 3,92m € but a final loss of 61,87m €. Mainly due to the repayment of government aid (40,1m), increasing costs of the 22/03/2016 terror attack (to 76m and insurers refuse to cover all of it) and the integration of Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium.
Well that turned out differently didn't it?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 09 Jul 2018, 19:27

sean1982 wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 19:03
Well that turned out differently didn't it?
Nope. I was right. The bad result was mentionned, but not discussed. And Brussels Airlines won't become a vacuum cleaner factory. They remain an airline.

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