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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 09 May 2018, 22:28

Brussels Airlines regrets announced strike despite new negotiation talks

The union delegation representing the pilot community of Brussels Airlines has called for strike actions on Monday May 14th and Wednesday May 16th. These actions will affect over 60,000 passengers – holidaymakers, commuters and business travellers. Information about the flights is available at brusselsairlines.com and will continuously be updated.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Av24.be » 10 May 2018, 12:58

I guess flights to Stockholm-Bromma are not affected (due to wet-leasing with Cityjet)? Could you confirm?"
Cityjet wet-lease flights are not affected.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 10 May 2018, 13:18

Av24.be wrote:
10 May 2018, 12:58
I guess flights to Stockholm-Bromma are not affected (due to wet-leasing with Cityjet)? Could you confirm?"
Cityjet wet-lease flights are not affected.
Cityjet will be flying, but not necessarily to Bromma, aircraft could used to fly to other destinations...
A friend got a text message saying his flight is cancelled, he needs to rebook and is happy to leave on sunday, but SN doesn’t answer phone, mail nor twitter!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by CTBke » 10 May 2018, 13:38

Poiu wrote:
10 May 2018, 13:18
Av24.be wrote:
10 May 2018, 12:58
I guess flights to Stockholm-Bromma are not affected (due to wet-leasing with Cityjet)? Could you confirm?"
Cityjet wet-lease flights are not affected.
Cityjet will be flying, but not necessarily to Bromma, aircraft could used to fly to other destinations...
A friend got a text message saying his flight is cancelled, he needs to rebook and is happy to leave on sunday, but SN doesn’t answer phone, mail nor twitter!
guess they're a bit busy at the moment as they allow you to rebook free of charge

and Stockholm-Bromma is only operated on the sukhoi
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 10 May 2018, 13:52

Flights that will be operated on Monday 14 May

From Brussels & Düsseldorf


SN2249 Brussels - Billund
SN2251 Brussels - Billund
SN253 Brussels - Billund
SN2263 Brussels - Copenhagen
SN2303 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2305 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2307 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2309 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2313 Brussels - Göteborg
SN2579 Brussels - Berlin
SN2637 Brussels - Hannover
SN2701 Brussels - Basel
SN3157 Brussels - Milan Malpensa
SN3563 Brussels - Nantes
SN3569 Brussels - Nantes
SN3629 Brussels - Paris
SN2633 Brussels - Hannover
SN2639 Brussels - Hannover
SN3195 Brussels - Turin
SN3661 Brussels - Strasbourg
EW1100 Düsseldorf - New York
EW1170 Düsseldorf - Cancun

To Brussels & Düsseldorf


SN2250 Billund - Brussels
SN2252 Billund - Brussels
SN2254 Billund - Brussels
SN2264 Copenhagen - Brussels
SN2304 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2306 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2308 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2310 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2314 Göteborg - Brussels
SN2580 Berlin - Brussels
SN2638 Hannover - Brussels
SN2702 Basel - Brussels
SN3158 Milan Malpensa - Brussels
SN3564 Nantes - Brussels
SN3570 Nantes - Brussels
SN3628 Paris - Brussels
SN2634 Hannover - Brussels
SN2640 Hannover - Brussels
SN3196 Turin - Brussels
SN3662 Strabourg - Brussels
EW1101 New York - Düsseldorf

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 10 May 2018, 13:53

Flights operating on Wednesday 16 May

From Brussels & Düsseldorf


SN2047 Brussels - Birmingham
SN2249 Brussels - Billund
SN253 Brussels - Billund
SN2263 Brussels - Copenhagen
SN2303 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2305 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2307 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2309 Brussels - Stockholm
SN2313 Brussels - Göteborg
SN2579 Brussels - Berlin
SN2637 Brussels - Hannover
SN2701 Brussels - Basel
SN2705 Brussels - Basel
SN3157 Brussels - Milan Malpensa
SN3563 Brussels - Nantes
SN3569 Brussels - Nantes
SN3629 Brussels - Paris
SN2633 Brussels - Hannover
SN2639 Brussels - Hannover
SN3195 Brussels - Turin
SN3661 Brussels - Strasbourg
EW1100 Düsseldorf - New York
EW1182 Düsseldorf - Miami

To Brussels & Düsseldorf

SN2048 Birmingham - Brussels
SN2250 Billund - Brussels
SN2254 Billund - Brussels
SN2264 Copenhagen - Brussels
SN2304 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2306 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2308 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2310 Stockholm - Brussels
SN2314 Göteborg - Brussels
SN2580 Berlin - Brussels
SN2638 Hannover - Brussels
SN2702 Basel - Brussels
SN2706 Basel - Brussels
SN3158 Milan Malpensa - Brussels
SN3564 Nantes - Brussels
SN3570 Nantes - Brussels
SN3628 Paris - Brussels
SN2634 Hannover - Brussels
SN2640 Hannover - Brussels
SN3196 Turin - Brussels
SN3662 Strabourg - Brussels
EW1183 Miami - Düsseldorf
EW1141 Punta Cana - Düsseldorf

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by CTBke » 10 May 2018, 13:59

those listed are all flights except SN metal ?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 10 May 2018, 14:09

CTBke wrote:
10 May 2018, 13:59
those listed are all flights except SN metal ?
A quick glance shows that these flights are Sukhoi operated flights. (and the two Eurowings flights from Dusseldorf)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 10 May 2018, 14:45

luchtzak wrote:
10 May 2018, 14:09
CTBke wrote:
10 May 2018, 13:59
those listed are all flights except SN metal ?
A quick glance shows that these flights are Sukhoi operated flights. (and the two Eurowings flights from Dusseldorf)
... and flights operated by bmi Regional and ASL Airlines France !

But why doesn't SN call on Air Belgium to fly one or two long-haul flights?
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 10 May 2018, 16:06

Does it mean that all others are cancelled?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 10 May 2018, 17:37

convair wrote:
10 May 2018, 16:06
Does it mean that all others are cancelled?
Good question! Brussels Airlines should communicate better about this and should allow rebookings on their website. As soon as things don’t go to plan it becomes a huge mess at SN.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 10 May 2018, 17:45

Darjeeling wrote:
08 May 2018, 17:20
saratoga wrote:
08 May 2018, 16:27
I can't agree more with your statement. Pilots and CC have more than been rolled by the management. It's more than time for the payback. The pilot's market will dictate the future shape of SN, but management will have to give something else than a discount at Volvo dealership or a bottle of (bad) discounted Cava. SN is now poured into the low-cost arm of LH Group and SN management has to impose low-cost "way of doing". The time of the "braaf piloten" who are lucky to have a job in Belgium is now over.
--> I told you that in the last chance meeting, management woud propose to "buy" the pilots with company cars (they are real specialists in this area, better in Mercedes C-Class or Volvo XC60 than to run an airline properly). They indeed proposed a "plan cafetaria" to do so... as if the pilots wanted money or cars...

--> to answer André regarding why Air Belgium isn't operating any long-haul flight for SN: I simply imagine that A.B crews care about solidarity. They don't want to spoil or interfere with the SN pilots actions.
--> SN management pilots are requested to operate EW long-haul flights, you now spot where the priorities are ;-)

--> It's now or never for SN crew community, otherwise they will NEVER ever be respected.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 10 May 2018, 18:18

Poiu wrote:
10 May 2018, 17:37
convair wrote:
10 May 2018, 16:06
Does it mean that all others are cancelled?
Good question! Brussels Airlines should communicate better about this and should allow rebookings on their website. As soon as things don’t go to plan it becomes a huge mess at SN.
I just had a conversation with Kim Daenen, the Brussels Airlines spokeswoman, she confirmed me that every flight on Brussels Airlines metal that is scheduled to leave from Brussels Airport will be cancelled on Monday AND on Wednesday. That is A319-A320 not the Cityjet and BMI Regional operations.

I asked Kim to go for the wait-and-see method, but Brussels Airlines doesn't want to have thousands of stranded passengers at Brussels Airport. The airline is now rebooking and rerouting passengers onto other airlines and on other days, which is time-consuming. Passengers can also go for the refund.

Meanwhile I read that on Wednesday cabin crew is joining the pilots strike as support, and mother company Lufthansa isn't happy with the current situation either.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by CTBke » 10 May 2018, 18:34

Poiu wrote:
10 May 2018, 17:37
convair wrote:
10 May 2018, 16:06
Does it mean that all others are cancelled?
Good question! Brussels Airlines should communicate better about this and should allow rebookings on their website. As soon as things don’t go to plan it becomes a huge mess at SN.
it's clearly indicated ... message on their webpage says "Please find here a list of flights that will be operated on 14 and 16 May" so all other flights are cancelled indeed ...

but ofcourse 1 or 2 Sukhoi's will be AOG or delayed as usual
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by ezis_bis » 10 May 2018, 19:23

Darjeeling wrote:
10 May 2018, 17:45
--> SN management pilots are requested to operate EW long-haul flights, you now spot where the priorities are ;-)

--> It's now or never for SN crew community, otherwise they will NEVER ever be respected.
I think the decision in Germany has already been taken.
This strike or not, it won't make a difference
But if you have nothing to lose, why not try?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by crew1990 » 10 May 2018, 20:19

But if there is a strike on monday and wednesday, all flight on SN metal are cancelled nor the one coming from outstation because the pilot have to bring back the aircraft to the base.

But as the last flights on Monday and Wednesday, with the aircraft normally staying overnight at outstation are cancelled, it will means the morning flight from outstation on Tuesday and Thursday will be cancelled as there will be no aircraft at outstation?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by CTBke » 10 May 2018, 20:22

crew1990 wrote:
10 May 2018, 20:19
But if there is a strike on monday and wednesday, all flight on SN metal are cancelled nor the one coming from outstation because the pilot have to bring back the aircraft to the base.

But as the last flights on Monday and Wednesday, with the aircraft normally staying overnight at outstation are cancelled, it will means the morning flight from outstation on Tuesday and Thursday will be cancelled as there will be no aircraft at outstation?
exactly there'll be more impact than just Monday and Tuesday
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 10 May 2018, 20:28

crew1990 wrote:
10 May 2018, 20:19
But if there is a strike on monday and wednesday, all flight on SN metal are cancelled nor the one coming from outstation because the pilot have to bring back the aircraft to the base.

But as the last flights on Monday and Wednesday, with the aircraft normally staying overnight at outstation are cancelled, it will means the morning flight from outstation on Tuesday and Thursday will be cancelled as there will be no aircraft at outstation?
With a snowball effect on the next days ...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Jetter » 10 May 2018, 22:09

ezis_bis wrote:
10 May 2018, 19:23
But if you have nothing to lose, why not try?
Because you care about the passengers and/or want to do the job for which you're paid? :idea:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by ezis_bis » 10 May 2018, 22:34

Jetter wrote:
10 May 2018, 22:09
Because you care about the passengers and/or want to do the job for which you're paid? :idea:
According to that logic, employees should just accept any work situation at any price (they get paid in the end, so what might possibly be going wrong?)

And for the passengers, this can be an inconvenience. But personally, if in the future I need to take every flight via Frankfurt, this will be a bigger inconvenience. Luckily, people will be rebooked and get refunds (https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/t ... dex_en.htm) and yes, this has already happened to me with other airlines.

In a few weeks I'll fly SN again. No hard feelings.

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