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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by skumfiduse » 25 Mar 2018, 20:14

convair wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 19:03
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No it's not the SN product and brand, why would it be if it's operated out of Germany (yes even in Germany SN is a very bad known brand).
But why is SN so badly known in Germany? Because LH decided to monopolise the routes from BRU to its main bases FRA and MUC. The former SN (Sabena) was flying to those airports and was well known there.
It's a good point, even if the sharing on FRA and MUC wouldn't have changed very much to the perception of SN in Germany.
But I never understood why they split the destinations that way i.s.o. code-sharing on all. They do the same with Swiss on Zurich and Geneva. Code-sharing on all destinations would allow each company to spare on overnighting.
SN and OS also work nicely together on the Brussels-Vienna route. Sounds like mummy Lufty is a bit selfish :lol:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by DannyVDB » 25 Mar 2018, 21:02

I don't think so, since LH is doing FRA and MUC, while SN took over HAM and BER (and Hannover ...)...

Makes sense to me ...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by skumfiduse » 25 Mar 2018, 21:10

DannyVDB wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 21:02
I don't think so, since LH is doing FRA and MUC, while SN took over HAM and BER (and Hannover ...)...

Makes sense to me ...

D
From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 25 Mar 2018, 22:11

skumfiduse wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 21:10
DannyVDB wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 21:02
I don't think so, since LH is doing FRA and MUC, while SN took over HAM and BER (and Hannover ...)...
Makes sense to me ...
From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.
The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by skumfiduse » 25 Mar 2018, 22:25

Passenger wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 22:11
skumfiduse wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 21:10
DannyVDB wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 21:02
I don't think so, since LH is doing FRA and MUC, while SN took over HAM and BER (and Hannover ...)...
Makes sense to me ...
From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.
The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.
What carrier could make it work like LH? I.e. feeder flights and business travel. Wasn't it Transavia having plans for Brussels-Munich? I think they announced it to start summer 2016, but the service never got materialised.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by C96C » 27 Mar 2018, 13:00

OO-SNL, an Airbus A320 (MSN 1961, ex AB) is on the Belgian register since today (27/03/2018).
http://www.mobilit.fgov.be:7081/bcaa/ai ... search.jsf

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Yuqu12 » 27 Mar 2018, 13:42

skumfiduse wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 22:25
Passenger wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 22:11
skumfiduse wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 21:10

From a hub-point of view, yes she is. Don't know about passengers or revenue, though.
The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.
What carrier could make it work like LH? I.e. feeder flights and business travel. Wasn't it Transavia having plans for Brussels-Munich? I think they announced it to start summer 2016, but the service never got materialised.
How about Ryanair? They already fly at BRU and FRA... They are probably (well) known in Germany. If they can keep their fares around the price of the train tickets, you can snap the persons from there: there would be a very limited price difference and you are about two hours faster in FRA than with the train...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 27 Mar 2018, 20:40

Yuqu12 wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 13:42
skumfiduse wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 22:25
Passenger wrote:
25 Mar 2018, 22:11

The yield is excellent. It's a combination of feeder flights and business travel. Actually, these two destinations were worth it for Lufthansa to buy Brussels Airlines - and eliminate competition on the two routes. I wonder why no other carrier stepped in to replace Brussels Airlines and to compete against Lufthansa.
What carrier could make it work like LH? I.e. feeder flights and business travel. Wasn't it Transavia having plans for Brussels-Munich? I think they announced it to start summer 2016, but the service never got materialised.
How about Ryanair? They already fly at BRU and FRA... They are probably (well) known in Germany. If they can keep their fares around the price of the train tickets, you can snap the persons from there: there would be a very limited price difference and you are about two hours faster in FRA than with the train...
1. Probably not true if you go from center to center;
2. And Ryanair doesn't offer connexions..

Lost cause imho.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Yuqu12 » 28 Mar 2018, 09:17

Well, it all depends from where you're travelling. I just wanted to point out that low cost companies can start this line up and offer some concurrence to LH. If they are cheaper, prices from LH may drop.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sdbelgium » 28 Mar 2018, 10:01

convair wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 20:40
2. And Ryanair doesn't offer connexions..
Not entirely correct. While they don't offer connections in most bases, you can connect from one to another Ryanair flight in place like OPO and BGY if the transit time is over two hours. Also, they (will) offer connections onto the Air Europa long haul network in MAD, i.e. arriving on an FR flight into MAD and departing onto the UX network and vice versa.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by convair » 28 Mar 2018, 12:49

sdbelgium wrote:
28 Mar 2018, 10:01
convair wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 20:40
2. And Ryanair doesn't offer connexions..
Not entirely correct. While they don't offer connections in most bases, you can connect from one to another Ryanair flight in place like OPO and BGY if the transit time is over two hours. Also, they (will) offer connections onto the Air Europa long haul network in MAD, i.e. arriving on an FR flight into MAD and departing onto the UX network and vice versa.
Right, but the matter discussed here was a potential BRU-FRA link by Ryanair. :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by lumumba » 28 Mar 2018, 15:54

I don't understand why they don't fly directly to FIH!!!
First in Luanda they cut the flights from 3 to 2 so normally there will be more passengers per flight,so less seats free on the FIH-BRU leg and they have cut already the flights from 7 to 4 on FIH and this in the summer timetable!

It doesn't make it easier for the transfer pax after 8 or 9 hours flight from the USA you have to fly 10:35 minutes to Kinshasa.... instead of 7:55 not a good option if you ask me.
They did not try hard enough to find a better solution????
I'm a bit upset because for us here in Luanda it's very bad.
All benefit for Lufthansa who keeps is 3 direct flights and TAP with is 8 flights.(STAR ALLIANCE)
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by travellover » 30 Mar 2018, 03:08

Beside PEK, Brussels Airlines is now code-sharing with Hainan on PVG - BRU and BRU - PVG.
Does it mean that Russia has given SN the green light to code-share with HU to/from PVG above its territory ?

HU7921/ SN4118 inbound.
HU7922/ SN4117 outbound.
The same code-share agreements where used in 2010/2011.

Source Brussels Airport A/D.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 30 Mar 2018, 10:41

travellover wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 03:08
Beside PEK, Brussels Airlines is now code-sharing with Hainan on PVG - BRU and BRU - PVG.
Does it mean that Russia has given SN the green light to code-share with HU to/from PVG above its territory ?
I think that the opposition didn't originate from the Russians but from Lufthansa who would have preferred the passengers to fly via Frankfurt on LH metal.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 30 Mar 2018, 21:06

Finally return to 5 flights a week on Mumbai : no flight on saturday and tuesday.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by SN501 » 30 Mar 2018, 22:11

nordikcam wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 21:06
Finally return to 5 flights a week on Mumbai : no flight on saturday and tuesday.
It seems the flight on Saturday is only operated during the winter season. It's available again as of November 3.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by lumumba » 30 Mar 2018, 22:25

SN501 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 22:11
nordikcam wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 21:06
Finally return to 5 flights a week on Mumbai : no flight on saturday and tuesday.
It seems the flight on Saturday is only operated during the winter season. It's available again as of November 3.
So they fly less in the summer timetable than in the winter?
I heard it was a big success and they even cut Toronto to upgrade Mumbai?!

I really think they have to fly daily because for example they don't fly daily to any destination in Africa so if they don't fly daily to Mumbai(for example) it make the connection possibility small and difficult compare to Paris etc...

At one end it has to by daily like New York etc....than it can be attractive.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by travellover » 31 Mar 2018, 09:23

lumumba wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 22:25
SN501 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 22:11
nordikcam wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 21:06
Finally return to 5 flights a week on Mumbai : no flight on saturday and tuesday.
It seems the flight on Saturday is only operated during the winter season. It's available again as of November 3.
So they fly less in the summer timetable than in the winter?
I heard it was a big success and they even cut Toronto to upgrade Mumbai?!

I really think they have to fly daily because for example they don't fly daily to any destination in Africa so if they don't fly daily to Mumbai(for example) it make the connection possibility small and difficult compare to Paris etc...

At one end it has to by daily like New York etc....than it can be attractive.
All the travel guides advise that the best time to visit most of the country, therefore, is during the cool, dry season, between November and March. Probably it impacts the downgrading of the schedule for summer 2018, taking in account the smaller share of tourists among the passengers.

https://www.roughguides.com/destination ... hen-to-go/

On the other hand, Bernard Gustin, for instance, said in an interview last December about the addition of the Saturday flight on BOM last winter, that the more frequencies there are for BOM and l/h network generally, the better it is.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by nordikcam » 31 Mar 2018, 12:56

And we left for a New Festival of SN l/h cancellations ... today Accra and Lomé moved to tomorrow ... tomorrow Toronto moved or not ... scary! The new CEO does not just have the work to do ( pain sur la planche ) , but the whole bakery!-+

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by RoMax » 31 Mar 2018, 13:45

The age of many of those A330's is showing more and more. To some extent it's normal, but it really seems to become more than normal. But it's not like the management doesn't know, in case you missed it 7 much newer, more reliable and more efficient A333's will join the fleet soon and already this summer as from June OO-SFC will join the fleet so that there is a 'hot spare' on many days of the week (currently there is usually 1 A330 on the ground almost every day, but that's mostly for regular maintenance).

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