Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 18 Aug 2018, 09:56

Acid-drop wrote:
17 Aug 2018, 22:54
JVSpotter wrote:
17 Aug 2018, 12:24
TAY801 OE-IFD LGG-PVG returning to LGG
https://www.rtbf.be/info/regions/liege/ ... id=9997203

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bc7b753&opt=0

https://www.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf20180817 ... a-deplorer

A real panic apparently, for no reason, but panic anyway
I didn't see "panic" being reported and I doubt the crew did panic.

After all they know well what happened to their colleagues flying UPS 6 out of DXB in 2010.
These guys didn't panic when there was a fire on board, they just died.

H.A.

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 18 Aug 2018, 10:46

Well said, H.A. : better to be safe than be sorry. As aviators get drilled into the bottom of their brain.
Or, to quote a famous mayor of Antwerp: "Liever blode Kamiel dan dode Kamiel" :)

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by 737MAX » 18 Aug 2018, 11:12

sn26567 wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 09:37
The flight deck clearly overreacted!
Based on what do you dare to say such a thing?
You should be an example on this forum. You don’t have any info and yet, you blame the crew.

Please don’t tell me you belleve a single thing of the RTBF article. It’s complete nonsense.

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by KriVa » 18 Aug 2018, 12:39

There's no such thing as overreacting when it comes to a possible fire onboard.
SWR111: fire detected at 2110, aircraft crashed at 2131.
UPS6: Fire detected at 1515, aircraft crashed at 1542.
Valujet 592: Fire detected at 1410, aircraft crashed at 1413.

Things can go south extremely quickly when a fire takes hold.
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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by Passenger » 18 Aug 2018, 13:54

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 09:56
Acid-drop wrote:
17 Aug 2018, 22:54
JVSpotter wrote:
17 Aug 2018, 12:24
TAY801 OE-IFD LGG-PVG returning to LGG
https://www.rtbf.be/info/regions/liege/ ... id=9997203

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bc7b753&opt=0

https://www.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf20180817 ... a-deplorer

A real panic apparently, for no reason, but panic anyway
I didn't see "panic" being reported and I doubt the crew did panic.

After all they know well what happened to their colleagues flying UPS 6 out of DXB in 2010.
These guys didn't panic when there was a fire on board, they just died.
And meanwhile, the aircraft is well over China right now:
https://www.flightradar24.com/TAY801/1d8b2a67

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 18 Aug 2018, 17:20

KriVa wrote:
18 Aug 2018, 12:39
There's no such thing as overreacting when it comes to a possible fire onboard.
SWR111: fire detected at 2110, aircraft crashed at 2131.
UPS6: Fire detected at 1515, aircraft crashed at 1542.
Valujet 592: Fire detected at 1410, aircraft crashed at 1413.

Things can go south extremely quickly when a fire takes hold.

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Post by sn26567 » 18 Aug 2018, 22:53

Freebird Airlines flight #FH638 from Norwich to Dalaman has reportedly suffered a bird strike on departure and diverted to Brussels (BRU), where it landed at 22:35, for engineering attention.

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Post by Passenger » 23 Aug 2018, 17:50

There will be extreme road travel chaos on the E40 Leuven-Brussels (Louvain-Brussels) tomorrow morning = Friday 24th August:

https://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/va ... ~ab6e4f4f/

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Post by Passenger » 27 Aug 2018, 16:57

Engine problem for the Smurfs' A320:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4bce4d1d&opt=0

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Post by Passenger » 28 Aug 2018, 10:41

Incident at ANR Antwerp Airport.

Apparently landing gear failure for a (small) GA aircraft.

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 28 Aug 2018, 10:50

Looks like a PA-28 of the airport's main flying school.
https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20180828_0368 ... ven-deurne

And according to the brilliant specialists at vrtnws.be, the plane "crashed":
Op de luchthaven in Deurne is vanmorgen een vliegtuig in de problemen geraakt bij het landen en neergestort.

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by Passenger » 28 Aug 2018, 11:05

jan_olieslagers wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 10:50
Looks like a PA-28 of the airport's main flying school.
https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20180828_0368 ... ven-deurne

And according to the brilliant specialists at vrtnws.be, the plane "crashed":
Op de luchthaven in Deurne is vanmorgen een vliegtuig in de problemen geraakt bij het landen en neergestort.
VLM's Zürich-Antwerp is diverting to BRU Brussels:
https://www.flightradar24.com/WLM42ZA/1da98299

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Post by luchtzak » 28 Aug 2018, 11:11

Which registration ?

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by luchtzak » 28 Aug 2018, 11:24

luchtzak wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 11:11
Which registration ?
OO-TMI ?

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Post by PttU » 28 Aug 2018, 11:29

luchtzak wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 11:24
luchtzak wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 11:11
Which registration ?
OO-TMI ?
or OO-TMX?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ge=1&ifg=1

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Post by Passenger » 28 Aug 2018, 11:29

luchtzak wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 11:24
luchtzak wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 11:11
Which registration ?
OO-TMI ?
OO-TMO was very nearby when it happened - but don't know if was OO-TMO indeed:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... o#1da98ab3

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Post by TLspotting » 28 Aug 2018, 11:42

Seems to be OO-TMX according to the pic on Twitter
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Post by KriVa » 28 Aug 2018, 11:45

jan_olieslagers wrote:
28 Aug 2018, 10:50
Looks like a PA-28 of the airport's main flying school.
https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20180828_0368 ... ven-deurne

And according to the brilliant specialists at vrtnws.be, the plane "crashed":
Op de luchthaven in Deurne is vanmorgen een vliegtuig in de problemen geraakt bij het landen en neergestort.
Looking at the state of the aircraft, I wouldn’t say “crash” is wrong terminology.
Thomas

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Re: Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2018

Post by jan_olieslagers » 28 Aug 2018, 12:14

:) some speakers of English would call it a "crash-landing" ... But the Dutch verb "neerstorten" implies for me a fall - and there was none of that here. Indeed "to crash" is a less specific term. In English, a car can crash into a wall, that requires rewording in Dutch.

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Post by KriVa » 28 Aug 2018, 12:29

If I was writing the article, I would indeed use “crash” as well, since it’s a broader term.
However, one of the definitions of “neerstorten” is “plotseling onbedoeld op de aarde neerkomen”, which does kind of fit what happened here, since the aircraft is on its belly, the landing gear seems to be gone, and at the very least the engine suffered a major propstrike.
I can’t really think of a reason why “neerstorten” would not be an apt term in Dutch, particularly when looking at the results of this crash.
All that aside, the runway has now been cleared and ANR is open again.
Thomas

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