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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by nordikcam » 11 Jan 2019, 20:41

Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 19:13
Dear JOVAN,

The number of Transfer pax was indeed status quo when we compare to last year. This was due to the fact that Brussels Airlines offered less flights. We saw this effect during a lot of months

Bangkok will normally stay at the same frequency as the carrier upgraded to the A350
Hongkong is sth to keep an eye on it. In March 2019 it will be one year that Cathay is flying to BRU. So let's see what they will decide.
The Chinese destinations will normally stay at the same level or even a new destination could be from an other carrier than Hainan.

India will be again a black dot which is really a pitty. LH is also not allowing AI to fly to BRU as they want to have this traffic for their own. It will be in 2019 or 2020 that other possibilities has to be checked bcs this traffic is needed

Latin America is still in the scope with a few carriers from there. It will be more clear in terms of months. Cargo between Belgium and South America is very good and even with not full pax planes it could be profitable for them bcs it is high value cargo

AMS AND LHR are full. Both can only grow in number of pax by changing into bigger planes but not everybody is doing this.
From that point of view is a very huge potential bcs during the latest council in the Netherlands, this week, is also against a limited grow of AMS.

So, for many reasons, 2019 will be very interesting
Interesting. But which new chinese destination ? And Latam or Avianca could fly BRU ?
If I read correctly, LH did not allow AI to fly BRU ????? Thx...

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Conti764 » 11 Jan 2019, 22:09

nordikcam wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 20:41
Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 19:13
Dear JOVAN,

The number of Transfer pax was indeed status quo when we compare to last year. This was due to the fact that Brussels Airlines offered less flights. We saw this effect during a lot of months

Bangkok will normally stay at the same frequency as the carrier upgraded to the A350
Hongkong is sth to keep an eye on it. In March 2019 it will be one year that Cathay is flying to BRU. So let's see what they will decide.
The Chinese destinations will normally stay at the same level or even a new destination could be from an other carrier than Hainan.

India will be again a black dot which is really a pitty. LH is also not allowing AI to fly to BRU as they want to have this traffic for their own. It will be in 2019 or 2020 that other possibilities has to be checked bcs this traffic is needed

Latin America is still in the scope with a few carriers from there. It will be more clear in terms of months. Cargo between Belgium and South America is very good and even with not full pax planes it could be profitable for them bcs it is high value cargo

AMS AND LHR are full. Both can only grow in number of pax by changing into bigger planes but not everybody is doing this.
From that point of view is a very huge potential bcs during the latest council in the Netherlands, this week, is also against a limited grow of AMS.

So, for many reasons, 2019 will be very interesting
Interesting. But which new chinese destination ? And Latam or Avianca could fly BRU ?
If I read correctly, LH did not allow AI to fly BRU ????? Thx...
I don't think LH can forbid AI to fly to BRU but by making sure there won't be any partnership on this side of the route they can make it very hard for AI to enter this market.

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Atlantis » 11 Jan 2019, 23:57

nordikcam wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 20:41
Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 19:13
Dear JOVAN,

The number of Transfer pax was indeed status quo when we compare to last year. This was due to the fact that Brussels Airlines offered less flights. We saw this effect during a lot of months

Bangkok will normally stay at the same frequency as the carrier upgraded to the A350
Hongkong is sth to keep an eye on it. In March 2019 it will be one year that Cathay is flying to BRU. So let's see what they will decide.
The Chinese destinations will normally stay at the same level or even a new destination could be from an other carrier than Hainan.

India will be again a black dot which is really a pitty. LH is also not allowing AI to fly to BRU as they want to have this traffic for their own. It will be in 2019 or 2020 that other possibilities has to be checked bcs this traffic is needed

Latin America is still in the scope with a few carriers from there. It will be more clear in terms of months. Cargo between Belgium and South America is very good and even with not full pax planes it could be profitable for them bcs it is high value cargo

AMS AND LHR are full. Both can only grow in number of pax by changing into bigger planes but not everybody is doing this.
From that point of view is a very huge potential bcs during the latest council in the Netherlands, this week, is also against a limited grow of AMS.

So, for many reasons, 2019 will be very interesting
Interesting. But which new chinese destination ? And Latam or Avianca could fly BRU ?
If I read correctly, LH did not allow AI to fly BRU ????? Thx...
LATAM and Avianca are both in the picture. Lately it was again more Avianca but LATAM has in meantime already build up experience at BRU.
Now is a matter of available planes and the will to do it.

LH is behind the scenes not that friendly, they really can push. The are the founder or one of the founders of Star which AI is member of. LH has good bounds with AI and work together between Germany and India. The more traffic for them, premium traffic, the better. They would not like if they would start flying also in the backyard, believe me, I know what I'm saying.
But if the gap has to be filled again, it has to come from India bcs SN stopped. So let's hope that IndiGo or AI (if the have to balls to do it) to start up flights. There is no competition

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by sterling » 12 Jan 2019, 00:03

Interesting isn't? AI not allowed to fly to BRU... The idea of an alliance (Star Alliance) is basically a cover up.
It is similar to Turkish Airlines; they are part of THY and they basically steal PAX from all the members of the alliance.
Star Alliance's members are basically protecting each of them their turf or try to steal from eachother.
I suspect Star Alliance's policy was to get as many airlines onboard, but they didn't think about the consequences or the hidden agenda's of each airline.
LH is really a uber-nationalistic from that perspective and very biased to German-speaking countries and SN is just an ugly child or an appendix.

The SkyTeam and Oneworld are better from that perspective.

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Conti764 » 12 Jan 2019, 08:50

Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 23:57
nordikcam wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 20:41
Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 19:13
Dear JOVAN,

The number of Transfer pax was indeed status quo when we compare to last year. This was due to the fact that Brussels Airlines offered less flights. We saw this effect during a lot of months

Bangkok will normally stay at the same frequency as the carrier upgraded to the A350
Hongkong is sth to keep an eye on it. In March 2019 it will be one year that Cathay is flying to BRU. So let's see what they will decide.
The Chinese destinations will normally stay at the same level or even a new destination could be from an other carrier than Hainan.

India will be again a black dot which is really a pitty. LH is also not allowing AI to fly to BRU as they want to have this traffic for their own. It will be in 2019 or 2020 that other possibilities has to be checked bcs this traffic is needed

Latin America is still in the scope with a few carriers from there. It will be more clear in terms of months. Cargo between Belgium and South America is very good and even with not full pax planes it could be profitable for them bcs it is high value cargo

AMS AND LHR are full. Both can only grow in number of pax by changing into bigger planes but not everybody is doing this.
From that point of view is a very huge potential bcs during the latest council in the Netherlands, this week, is also against a limited grow of AMS.

So, for many reasons, 2019 will be very interesting
Interesting. But which new chinese destination ? And Latam or Avianca could fly BRU ?
If I read correctly, LH did not allow AI to fly BRU ????? Thx...
LATAM and Avianca are both in the picture. Lately it was again more Avianca but LATAM has in meantime already build up experience at BRU.
Now is a matter of available planes and the will to do it.

LH is behind the scenes not that friendly, they really can push. The are the founder or one of the founders of Star which AI is member of. LH has good bounds with AI and work together between Germany and India. The more traffic for them, premium traffic, the better. They would not like if they would start flying also in the backyard, believe me, I know what I'm saying.
But if the gap has to be filled again, it has to come from India bcs SN stopped. So let's hope that IndiGo or AI (if the have to balls to do it) to start up flights. There is no competition
Maybe - one day - Vistara?

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Conti764 » 12 Jan 2019, 08:54

sterling wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 00:03
Interesting isn't? AI not allowed to fly to BRU... The idea of an alliance (Star Alliance) is basically a cover up.
It is similar to Turkish Airlines; they are part of THY and they basically steal PAX from all the members of the alliance.
Star Alliance's members are basically protecting each of them their turf or try to steal from eachother.
I suspect Star Alliance's policy was to get as many airlines onboard, but they didn't think about the consequences or the hidden agenda's of each airline.
LH is really a uber-nationalistic from that perspective and very biased to German-speaking countries and SN is just an ugly child or an appendix.

The SkyTeam and Oneworld are better from that perspective.
Oneworld would have been the much better option for SN. Contrary to Star Alliance, SN would have played a bigger role within OW...

AA, BA (both with whom SN had strong ties before LH bought them), JAL, CX,... And BRU would have played a much bigger role as well.

Such a shame SN ended up in the wrong hands.

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Atlantis » 12 Jan 2019, 09:06

Conti764 wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 08:54
sterling wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 00:03
Interesting isn't? AI not allowed to fly to BRU... The idea of an alliance (Star Alliance) is basically a cover up.
It is similar to Turkish Airlines; they are part of THY and they basically steal PAX from all the members of the alliance.
Star Alliance's members are basically protecting each of them their turf or try to steal from eachother.
I suspect Star Alliance's policy was to get as many airlines onboard, but they didn't think about the consequences or the hidden agenda's of each airline.
LH is really a uber-nationalistic from that perspective and very biased to German-speaking countries and SN is just an ugly child or an appendix.

The SkyTeam and Oneworld are better from that perspective.
Oneworld would have been the much better option for SN. Contrary to Star Alliance, SN would have played a bigger role within OW...

AA, BA (both with whom SN had strong ties before LH bought them), JAL, CX,... And BRU would have played a much bigger role as well.

Such a shame SN ended up in the wrong hands.
I fully agree with that. OW would have been a much better option for them in matter of playing an important role in the whole group with their experience in Africa. The question is only if they also would have been invested in SN, IAG for sure I think as they did it in some airlines.

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Jetter » 12 Jan 2019, 12:04

Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 19:13
AMS AND LHR are full. Both can only grow in number of pax by changing into bigger planes but not everybody is doing this.
Yet the movements at BRU declined last year with important competitors having no capacity. That’s disappointing, especially becausing this situation will only last a limited time: LHR is getting a new runway and the flightcap at AMS will be highered.
From that point of view is a very huge potential bcs during the latest council in the Netherlands, this week, is also against a limited grow of AMS.
Could you clarify ‘the latest council’? AFAIK the Dutch government coalition agreed to raise the flightcap in 2020. Also AMS right now is building their largest terminal and pier with a 14 million passenger capacity. I can’t imagine that going unused.

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Atlantis » 12 Jan 2019, 20:09

Jetter wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 12:04
Atlantis wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 19:13
AMS AND LHR are full. Both can only grow in number of pax by changing into bigger planes but not everybody is doing this.
Yet the movements at BRU declined last year with important competitors having no capacity. That’s disappointing, especially becausing this situation will only last a limited time: LHR is getting a new runway and the flightcap at AMS will be highered.
From that point of view is a very huge potential bcs during the latest council in the Netherlands, this week, is also against a limited grow of AMS.
Could you clarify ‘the latest council’? AFAIK the Dutch government coalition agreed to raise the flightcap in 2020. Also AMS right now is building their largest terminal and pier with a 14 million passenger capacity. I can’t imagine that going unused.
Dear Jetter, you have to understand the whole content. Why number of movements declined? Several factors. The airport is not only about pax flights. We have also general aviation and cargo. In cargo where quite a lot of cancellations. When there are less Top meetings in Brussels, EU and NATO, then you have also less General Aviation flights.
Number of pax flights is influenced also bcs of strikes. Think lately about the huge strike of the ground handling during one of the holidays. Lots of flights were cancelled.
On the other side, BRU is receiving much bigger planes.

To answer your second question. Let me be clear that the Dutch government has not a blanco card in increasing the number of flights as from 2020.
The ORS, Ondernemingsraad Schipold, consist of a delegation of habitants, the government, airport sector and branceorganisations, is trying to find a solution in which direction the airport has to go. Before increasing the flights they first want to have a solution for the noice and second what Lelystad Airport can do to pick up much more flights from AMS.
There is a plan for a very limited grow oof the airport with 25.000 flights by 2028. But even this plan is receiving in the last council of this week a "no go"

Of course the airport can build new infrastructure, why not. They even build a new place to handle a third A380 and they refurbish old parts of their terminals which is really needed. So they can, bcs the only option now is to receive bigger planes instead of growing, so for this they need capacity.

A other topic on their table is to replace the short flights by train connections. This received already green light.

BUT, this topic is about the BRU figures

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 20 Jan 2019, 23:00

What about the SN market share @ BRU?

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Conti764 » 21 Jan 2019, 12:54

As BRU is reaching full capacity (28M?), when will we hear some more about A-pier West? If the airport keeps on growing at it's current rate, given the time needed in Belgium to build something, we should hear some more about it quickly…

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by sn26567 » 21 Jan 2019, 15:17

brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
20 Jan 2019, 23:00
What about the SN market share @ BRU?
Let's first publish the SN figures for 2018, which are no longer made public after Eurowings decided that they should be incorporated into its own figures. You can find them in the following link:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=60425&p=377106#p377106
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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by gege1028 » 16 Jul 2019, 01:06

BRUtrend 2018 has just been published
https://issuu.com/brusselsairport/docs/ ... _2018/1?ff

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by Jetter » 16 Jul 2019, 02:35

gege1028 wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 01:06
BRUtrend 2018 has just been published
https://issuu.com/brusselsairport/docs/ ... _2018/1?ff
Nice information. I noticed that airplane movements of most Star Alliance airlines decreased, about 5% in total. This while movements of Skyteam and OneWorld airlines almost all increased. Sadly no passenger numbers per airline, but AMS went up more than 8% which is all KLM-transfer traffic.

Looks like LH-group could do a better job defending their leading position at BRU.

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by brabel » 16 Jul 2019, 10:09

Was looking forward for the BRUtrends.
Shame they don't know the location of London on their map.
Also Zurich and Geneva are switched.
Elsewhere I saw some minor mistakes.
If you wait 7 months for a report about the previous year, at least make sure there are no mistakes. Haha

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Re: Brussels Airport monthly traffic figures

Post by convair » 16 Jul 2019, 13:05

And on July 17, they don't have the pax figures for June yet!

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