Ryanair cancels 2,100 flights in Sep-Oct 2017, and 18,000 more in Nov 2017-Mar 2018

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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by luchtzak » 18 Sep 2017, 14:12

Cancelled flights today-tomorrow-wednesday:

18/09/2017 1453 Brussels Dublin
18/09/2017 1452 Dublin Brussels

19/09/2017 5462 Madrid Brussels-Charleroi
19/09/2017 5463 Brussels-Charleroi Madrid

20/09/2017 4863 Bologna Main Terminal Brussels-Charleroi
20/09/2017 1389 Bordeaux Brussels-Charleroi
20/09/2017 2918 Barcelona El Prat (BCN) Brussels Airport
20/09/2017 2917 Brussels Airport Barcelona El Prat (BCN)
20/09/2017 4862 Brussels Charleroi Bologna Main Terminal
20/09/2017 201 Brussels Charleroi Copenhagen
20/09/2017 1388 Brussels Charleroi Bordeaux
20/09/2017 200 Copenhagen Brussels Charleroi

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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by sn26567 » 18 Sep 2017, 14:23

luchtzak wrote:
18 Sep 2017, 14:12
Cancelled flights today-tomorrow-wednesday:

18/09/2017 1453 Brussels Dublin
18/09/2017 1452 Dublin Brussels

19/09/2017 5462 Madrid Brussels-Charleroi
19/09/2017 5463 Brussels-Charleroi Madrid

20/09/2017 4863 Bologna Main Terminal Brussels-Charleroi
20/09/2017 1389 Bordeaux Brussels-Charleroi
20/09/2017 2918 Barcelona El Prat (BCN) Brussels Airport
20/09/2017 2917 Brussels Airport Barcelona El Prat (BCN)
20/09/2017 4862 Brussels Charleroi Bologna Main Terminal
20/09/2017 201 Brussels Charleroi Copenhagen
20/09/2017 1388 Brussels Charleroi Bordeaux
20/09/2017 200 Copenhagen Brussels Charleroi
All these flights cancelled with less than one week notice, thus giving the right to a €250 compensation in addition to rebooking or reimbursement.
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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by Passenger » 18 Sep 2017, 14:45

sean1982 wrote:
18 Sep 2017, 09:06
As a marketing specialist he knows his field, that's why he is not making any statements towards the safety of the airline. You are, no surprises there, wasn't it a criminal offence for making false statements? I remember reading that somewhere
There are no American troops in Baghdad. I'm not interested in an endless discussion with you about het geslacht der engelen. I only referred to what that marketing specialist says: "...Dat verhaal met die vakantiedagen is een ziekelijk teken. Zit je dan met een piloot in het vliegtuig die doodmoe is? Dat is al heel negatief..." My translation: "...That story with the holiday-days is a sickening sign. Are you then flying with a pilot who is dead-tired? That's already very negative..."

I really don't understand how one can deny that this is a statement that the safety image from Ryanair is badly hurt.

https://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/2017/ ... or-ryanair
Above is a link to the original article. Quite shocking actually: the marketing guy says that the fairytale is over for Ryanair. For those who don't understand Dutch: it's worth to copy/paste the text and ask Google to translate it.

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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by luchtzak » 18 Sep 2017, 15:06

Ryanair cancellations: European consumer unions have served a notice to Ryanair to properly inform the passengers of their right to a compensation (Ryanair tells them only about rebooking or refund).

The European Commission is also in contact with Ryanair on that topic.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... ight-back/

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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by sn26567 » 18 Sep 2017, 17:15

Ryanair will disclose tomorrow the list of all cancelled flights until end-October.
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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by teddybAIR » 18 Sep 2017, 17:23

What a joke! It's a simple capacity screw-up. So be a man and suck it up. Same goes for their pax by the way: if you pay peanuts you get monkesy. Fly a descent airline where at least the intention is to serve you and srew-ups are supposed to be the exception instead of general policy.

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Re: Ryanair in 2017

Post by Passenger » 18 Sep 2017, 18:03

lumumba wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 10:38
And how do you have to do that?
Test-Aankoop / Test-Achats is probably going to be the cheapest incasso possibility to get what Ryanair most probably will refuse to pay. There is a link to a special TA Facebook group in the article:

"Ryanair annule, nous vous aidons"
https://www.test-achats.be/famille-priv ... ns-ryanair

"Vlucht geannuleerd bij Ryanair? Wij staan voor je klaar!"
https://www.test-aankoop.be/familie-pri ... r-je-klaar

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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by OO-ITR » 18 Sep 2017, 18:24

This airline is a disgrace for aviation. I hope ALL affected passengers will file for a reimbursement AND compensation!

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Post by teddybAIR » 18 Sep 2017, 18:37

OO-ITR wrote:
18 Sep 2017, 18:24
This airline is a disgrace for aviation. I hope ALL affected passengers will file for a reimbursement AND compensation!
Some will, some won't and Ryanair will continue prospering because people tend to put money over principles: the prices Ryanair seems to offer are simply 'to good to refuse' for many customers.

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Re: Ryanair in 2017

Post by lumumba » 18 Sep 2017, 18:51

Passenger wrote:
18 Sep 2017, 18:03
lumumba wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 10:38
And how do you have to do that?
Test-Aankoop / Test-Achats is probably going to be the cheapest incasso possibility to get what Ryanair most probably will refuse to pay. There is a link to a special TA Facebook group in the article:

"Ryanair annule, nous vous aidons"
https://www.test-achats.be/famille-priv ... ns-ryanair

"Vlucht geannuleerd bij Ryanair? Wij staan voor je klaar!"
https://www.test-aankoop.be/familie-pri ... r-je-klaar
Thx....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Ryanair in 2017

Post by sn26567 » 18 Sep 2017, 20:55

Passenger wrote:
18 Sep 2017, 18:03
lumumba wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 10:38
And how do you have to do that?
Test-Aankoop / Test-Achats is probably going to be the cheapest incasso possibility to get what Ryanair most probably will refuse to pay. There is a link to a special TA Facebook group in the article:

"Ryanair annule, nous vous aidons"
https://www.test-achats.be/famille-priv ... ns-ryanair

"Vlucht geannuleerd bij Ryanair? Wij staan voor je klaar!"
https://www.test-aankoop.be/familie-pri ... r-je-klaar
The action of consumer unions extends to four countries: Italy, Spain and Portugal:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... ight-back/

And Ryanair, together with the full list of cancelled flights, promises to inform passengers about their rights under EU261 (alternative flight, refund AND compensation):

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... d-october/

One has even seen, at a press conference in Dublin, MOL apologising for the mess that he had created !!! A lesson of humility for the flamboyant CEO...
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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by sn26567 » 18 Sep 2017, 22:08

There will be 194 cancellations in Charleroi and 90 cancellations in Brussels, for a total of 294, between 21 September and 28 October. I have updated the article that now gives a full list of those "Belgian" cancellations:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... d-october/

And if someone is interested in the full list of ALL cancellations, here it is:

http://fr-prod-static-pdf.s3-website-eu ... ations.pdf
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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by tapisvolant » 19 Sep 2017, 07:28

Would it be possible forTUI Fly or any other airline to launch a counter offer(mainly in CRL)for the xx FR flights?With a 'welcome we help you fare'.Which would be a perfect occasion for this airline to launch new destinations and enter the market for this season but for next summer as well?

FR deserves a good lesson.They will lose any left credibility if they complain in the future in case of any strike happening in Belgian APT(atc,immigration,ground of crew..) or somewhere else in the EU(mainly in France,Spain and Italy).

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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by Stij » 19 Sep 2017, 08:57

My two cents...

I flew them a lot when they still had some Italian destinations with morning and evening rotations form the same airport. Since they splitted their ops between CRL and BRU... it has become difficult with them as a business traveller. Just LIS from BRU and PSA from CRL are still useful to me. Otherwise it's SN (also because SN is useless on FLR.

I've always said that FR works of you fly often... you save a lot of money, so when things go wrong (and before today that was rather seldom) you saved enough cash to get you out of trouble and still have saved money left. Now that they're cancelling 2%... things have changed...

On the other hand, don't make any illusions... people will have forgotten this cock-up by say January, especially those who weren't affected...

Cheers,

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Post by sn26567 » 19 Sep 2017, 09:53

tapisvolant wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 07:28
Would it be possible forTUI Fly or any other airline to launch a counter offer(mainly in CRL)for the xx FR flights?With a 'welcome we help you fare'.Which would be a perfect occasion for this airline to launch new destinations and enter the market for this season but for next summer as well?

FR deserves a good lesson.They will lose any left credibility if they complain in the future in case of any strike happening in Belgian APT(atc,immigration,ground of crew..) or somewhere else in the EU(mainly in France,Spain and Italy).
It would be difficult for TUI to organise such rescue flights at short notice and for a limited period. Their planes are fully used for the end of the Summer season. Their staff is also fully employed. If any rescue could come, it would be at an ad hoc basis and probably from a legacy airline, now that the low cost model has shown its limits.
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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by sn26567 » 19 Sep 2017, 10:01

Stij wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 08:57
My two cents...

Now that they're cancelling 2%... things have changed...

On the other hand, don't make any illusions... people will have forgotten this cock-up by say January, especially those who weren't affected...
Instead of 'my two cents' you could have said 'my 2%' 😀.

Seriously, in Belgium it's more than just 2%: 294 cancelled flights out of a total of 2000: that's like 15% of all the cancellations. Not sure that people will easily forget. Even the 98% of the people that haven't been affected: they certainly know someone who has been affected.
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Re: Ryanair cancels 40-50 flights a day from mid-September to end-October 2017

Post by Poiu » 19 Sep 2017, 10:28

sn26567 wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 09:53
tapisvolant wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 07:28
Would it be possible forTUI Fly or any other airline to launch a counter offer(mainly in CRL)for the xx FR flights?With a 'welcome we help you fare'.Which would be a perfect occasion for this airline to launch new destinations and enter the market for this season but for next summer as well?

FR deserves a good lesson.They will lose any left credibility if they complain in the future in case of any strike happening in Belgian APT(atc,immigration,ground of crew..) or somewhere else in the EU(mainly in France,Spain and Italy).
It would be difficult for TUI to organise such rescue flights at short notice and for a limited period. Their planes are fully used for the end of the Summer season. Their staff is also fully employed. If any rescue could come, it would be at an ad hoc basis and probably from a legacy airline, now that the low cost model has shown its limits.
There is a worldwide shortage of pilots, many airlines, including legacies, are struggling to keep their aircraft flying. FR did have sufficient pilots at the start of the season, but attrition rate was higher than expected.
Emirates, Qatar, Etihad are offering direct entry captain positions on wide body aircraft. The Chinese carriers are offering up to 25000€ nett a month on a 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks of roster, difficult to resist...
As for rescue flights by TUI: they are maxed out as well, as soon as they face a small problem there are huge delays.

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Post by sn26567 » 19 Sep 2017, 10:49

Poiu wrote:
19 Sep 2017, 10:28
There is a worldwide shortage of pilots, many airlines, including legacies, are struggling to keep their aircraft flying. FR did have sufficient pilots at the start of the season, but attrition rate was higher than expected.
Indeed: we know already that 140 Ryanair pilots quit for Norwegian in the last 12 months, but the total figure is much higher, according to the Irish press! 700 Ryanair pilots have left for a bluer sky elsewhere...

Ryanair circulated an internal memo to its pilots, that La Libre Belgique could read: Ryanair now offers a €12,000 bonus for pilots and a €6,000 bonus to F/Os if they remain with Ryanair until October 2018, at the condition that they are available to work 10 days during their holidays. Not really competitive with Middle East airlines, but still a progress.
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