PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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Just simulated a return flight ANR-SIR with dep 14/12 and return 18/12.
The total amount to be paid was 240 .... British pounds.
Just wondering this was the intention to have it in GBP for all destinations,including the non-UK ones , or is it a bug in their booking system?

https://www.powdair.ski/booking/

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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Passenger wrote:
24 Jun 2017, 13:58
Very long interview with Marcel Buelens in today's Gazet van Antwerpen:
http://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20170623_02938 ... tegen-2020
Tui stelt zijn winterprogramma voor Deurne nog samen, en de maatschappij PowdAir vliegt vanaf december vanuit Deurne vier keer per week naar Sion in Zwitserland. De boek­ingen lopen redelijk goed. Ik ben nog aan het onderhandelen met een andere maatschappij, die vanaf dit jaar vanuit Deurne naar nog eens twee bestemmingen in Zwitserland wil vliegen.
So besides PowdAir, there could be another airline. Maybe SkyWorks:
Passenger wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 14:23
I've compared the SkyWork Airlines booking that Luchtzak member DIBO posted with the same dates in the booking engine on Powdair.ski, and both airlines operate the same routing with almost the same schedule:

Sion-Antwerp 14th Dec 2017:
SkyWork Airlines: SX-2310: 08h00-09h15
Powdair: POW-466: 08h30-09h40

Antwerp-Sion 4th Jan 2018:
SkyWork Airlines: SX-2311: 10h00-11h15
Powdair: POW467: 10h25-11h35

If these are indeed the same flights, one of the two airlines is violating the European legislation stating that an airline must clearly advise they are not the operating airline.

luchtzak SkyWorks.jpg

luchtzak powdair 14 dec 4 jan.png
Which would mean SkyWorks isn't the operating airline for PowdAir.
But still a lot of "if's" and confusion...

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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We have not contracted with SX....Yet! However we have been in contract negotiations and are awaiting them to confirm to us that they WILL have their new jet aircraft in time for our winter flying program... We are not interested in turbo prop operations

Also if you want to pay for tickets in EUR or USD you can do on our website - top right hand corner to change currency

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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powdair wrote:
26 Jun 2017, 10:36
Also if you want to pay for tickets in EUR or USD you can do on our website - top right hand corner to change currency
You have no AOC - so you are no airline. So you don't have an IATA bond (ex. through the BSP).

You are no British or Irish touroperator. So you don't offer the ATOL protection and/or the ITAA guarantuee and/or the ABTA guarantuee.

You don't have a signed agreement with an existing airline. So the ticket you are selling right now, are only valid on virtual airline Powdair. Why would Belgian passengers pay real money for virtual tickets?

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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Simply because they trust the swiss regulator

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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Airbus330lover wrote:
26 Jun 2017, 18:49
Simply because they trust the swiss regulator
Powdair is avoiding the Swiss regulator as they want to register in Ireland, according to mr Powdair himself.

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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There was an article in Travelnews.ch (21/06/2017), confirming the confusion about this "airline":

https://www.travelnews.ch/flug/5819-sky ... ungen.html

Some extracts, starting with a confirmation that Skywork will operate to/from Antwerp as from 14th Dec:

"...Und jetzt wird’s ganz lustig: Auf der Website von Skywork kann man seit einigen Tagen nämlich Flüge ab Sion nach London-Southend und Antwerpen (ab 14. Dezember), nach London-Luton und Hamburg (ab 15. Dezember), nach Bristol (ab 16. Dezember) und nach Southampton (ab 17. Dezember) buchen. Mit Ausnahme von Manchester und Edinburgh, welche fehlen, sind die Flugtage und Destinationen identisch mit dem, was Powdair angekündigt hat. Flugnummern, Flugzeiten, Preise – alles da, nur der Flugzeugtyp ist online nicht ersichtlich. Ist Skywork der Partner von Powdair?..

... Max Ungricht, der Pressesprecher von Skywork, erklärt: «Mit Powdair bestehen keine vertraglichen Bande. Mit der Aufschaltung der Strecken ab Sion lotet Skywork den Markt aus. Bei nachweislichem Bedarf wird Skywork die passende Flugzeuggrösse einsetzen.» Skywork-CEO Martin Inäbnit, von Travelnews.ch ebenfalls kontaktiert, relativiert ebenfalls: «Da Powdair kein AOC hat, ist ein klassischer ACMI-Deal [ein Wet-Lease, Anm. der Red.] gar nicht möglich. Zudem muss Powdair gemäss geltendem Recht den Operating Carrier eigentlich publizieren, wenn es denn einen geben würde. Dort steht aber nicht Skywork.»...

...Powdair zeigt sich bei der Rückfrage von Travelnews.ch dort überrascht: «Ich kann bestätigen, dass Powdair und Skywork in Verhandlungen sind», erklärt Stewart, «allerdings ist noch gar nichts entschieden und wir sind mit mehreren Partnern in Verhandlung. Von der Aufschaltung der Flüge durch Skywork wussten wir nichts. Möglicherweise handelt es sich dabei um eine Verhandlungstaktik.» Ihm zufolge seien die Flugzeiten und die Slots für Powdair gesichert – entgegen dem, was Skywork behauptet. Doch von wem, wenn ja Powdair selber als Airline nicht operativ in Erscheinung treten kann? Dazu wird nichts gesagt...


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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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powdair announces a partnership with Backbone Aviation.
"The deal includes two Bombardier CRJ 200 regional jets, each with a capacity of 50 seats. The aircraft will commence flights on December 14th, 2017 on the scheduled routes", it says in a press release that was published on http://newsroom.aviator.aero/powdair-an ... -backbone/

From the website of powdair:
- We expect to carry 63,000 winter sports lovers
- we’re already planning summer routes too

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Re: PowdAir, a new Sion-based airline with flights to a.o. Antwerp

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A CRJ200 looks more reasonable than an A319 or even an E190...
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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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Any news for the flights to Sion, first flight ANR to Sion on 14the Dec?
tx

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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Sion:

Powdair selling tickets between 14 Dec 2017 and 16 April 2018,flights on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Contract for 2 CRJ200 with Backbone aviation to operate the flights. www.powdair.ski

Also Skywork is selling tickets from Antwerp to Sion between 14 December 2017 and 12 April 2017, flights Monday and Thursday. They are changing their fleet to all Saab 2000. www.flyskywork.com

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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I find it strange that the (new) Airport website is not mentioning the Skywork Airlines flights...

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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Sadly, modern websites generally are more about good looks than about correct and complete content.

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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DIBO wrote:
26 Aug 2017, 13:53
I find it strange that the (new) Airport website is not mentioning the Skywork Airlines flights...
It seems that SkyWorkAirlines doesn't offer Antwerp anymore:
https://flyskywork.com/flight-schedule
Flight information - Flight schedules - Our flights 2017/2018
We fly you to the European cities Amsterdam, Berlin, Cologne/Bonn, Hamburg, London, Munich and Vienna. There are 18 destinations on the schedule for summer 2017, 11 of which are classic holiday destinations. We are adding one new destination for summer, the island of Sylt. For winter 2017/2018 eight destinations are currently offered. Berlin, Munich and Vienna will continue to be served by SkyWork Airlines at the same times/frequency as the current summer schedule. Find out more in our current schedules and find the right flight for you:
https://flyskywork.com/website/static/s ... 7_2018.pdf

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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Passenger wrote:
26 Aug 2017, 15:16
DIBO wrote:
26 Aug 2017, 13:53
I find it strange that the (new) Airport website is not mentioning the Skywork Airlines flights...
It seems that SkyWorkAirlines doesn't offer Antwerp anymore:
https://flyskywork.com/flight-schedule
Flight information - Flight schedules - Our flights 2017/2018
We fly you to the European cities Amsterdam, Berlin, Cologne/Bonn, Hamburg, London, Munich and Vienna. There are 18 destinations on the schedule for summer 2017, 11 of which are classic holiday destinations. We are adding one new destination for summer, the island of Sylt. For winter 2017/2018 eight destinations are currently offered. Berlin, Munich and Vienna will continue to be served by SkyWork Airlines at the same times/frequency as the current summer schedule. Find out more in our current schedules and find the right flight for you:
https://flyskywork.com/website/static/s ... 7_2018.pdf
The flights have never been in their schedule, only in the booking engine and they are still available. But indeed no official statement from Skywork that they will launch flights from Sion te several destinations.

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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Sounds like Sion with Powdair will be available the whole year. London city, Zurich and Antwerp will regular flights and not Winter only. 2 CRJ200 (Backbone aviation) and 2 Saab 2000 (Adria Switzerland).
http://www.lenouvelliste.ch/articles/va ... ich-697007


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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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Powdair update today:

Sion to Antwerp with be operated by CRJ200 (50 seats). Frequency increases from 4 to 5 weekly, extra flight on Sundays. And Antwerp will indeed be operated the whole year and not winter seasonal only.

I just hope they will offer some lower fares. Now they are just too expensive...

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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or Saab 2000?

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Re: 2017 Antwerp Airport (ANR/EBAW) latest news

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AAI wrote:
30 Aug 2017, 13:21
or Saab 2000?
Saab will be flying Zurich and London City from Sion.

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