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Brussels Airlines to Lima?

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http://aviacionaldia.com/2016/12/brusse ... -peru.html
http://aeronoticias.com.pe/noticiero/in ... Itemid=574

Regarding some Peruvian media, Brussels Airlines would be interested in opening a direct flight to Lima. Brussels Airlines has been talking earlier with LATAM and Avianca to make it possible.

There was a meeting in Lima between Brussels Airlines and the authorities of the international business and tourism and the minister of transport and communication.

Regarding Brussels Airlines, there are 20 000 yearly passenger travelling through AMS or CDG

Brussels Airlines think there is a high potential for this routes
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Que bueno ! Wonderful project.
I think KL flies daily on Lima via Guayaquil or Quito.And LX OS and LH do not fly to Peru.
Does AF flying there ? It could be a market from BRU considering the South american community already in Brussels.
20000 passengers are two weekly flights.
I'm glad to see that there are projects in SN mind ! But no aircraft ! Is it possible to fly to LIM with A333 or A332 ? Thx.
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I flew AMS LIM non stop...

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nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:02
20000 passengers are two weekly flights.
I'm glad to see that there are projects in SN mind ! But no aircraft ! Is it possible to fly to LIM with A333 or A332 ? Thx.
20.000 pax can also be 4 flights if combined with another destination like Quito for example.

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crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:49
nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:02
20000 passengers are two weekly flights.
I'm glad to see that there are projects in SN mind ! But no aircraft ! Is it possible to fly to LIM with A333 or A332 ? Thx.
20.000 pax can also be 4 flights if combined with another destination like Quito for example.
This is pure pax from Brussels if you fly from Brussels you can double the digit with the transit pax...
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:49
nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:02
20000 passengers are two weekly flights.
I'm glad to see that there are projects in SN mind ! But no aircraft ! Is it possible to fly to LIM with A333 or A332 ? Thx.
20.000 pax can also be 4 flights if combined with another destination like Quito for example.
7 airlines are linking Lima and four countries in Europe.
Air France (Paris CDG), KLM (AMS), Iberia, Air Europa , Plus Ultra Lineas Aereas, LATAM Perú (MAD), British Airways (LGW). Skyteam and Oneworld. Nor Lufthansa or Swiss (European Star Alliance carrier). (Following Airlines websites, Flightaware and Wikipedia).

KL flies with a B777W. AMS- LIM 12h 35m, LIM- AMS 11h52. Distance : 10,532 km. (Flightaware).
AF : CDG : B777W
BA : LGW : B772
AEA : MAD - LIM : A332 : 9,538 km
IB : MAD : A346
LA : MAD : A345
PU : MAD : A343
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travellover wrote:
08 May 2017, 13:58

LA : MAD : A345
LA: MAD is 767
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I am sorry but I can't see SN starting to offer that route within the next couple of years. Reading a translation of the original articles, it seems that it is mainly BRU/BAC who are pushing for this route. Avianca and LATAM are possibilities as well.
SN's A332's don't have the legs to operate this route and the newer A333's won't have them either.

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travellover wrote:
08 May 2017, 13:58
crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:49
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Would be nice if SN flew to South-America, and the lack of Star flights Europe-Lima needs to be filled.

Though for a European carrier to have Lima as a 1st destination in South-America doesn't seem logical on itself, neither does it fit in the strategy of LH-group to have SN as the only carrier to fly to a South-American destination. There are destinations in South-America with higher O&D and/or more convenient Star hubs that make more sense. Lima isn't a large Star hub and almost always involves significant backtracking. Panama, Bogota or Sao Paulo would have a better chance.

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crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:49

20.000 pax can also be 4 flights if combined with another destination like Quito for example.
You need 2 aircraft to operate 4 weekly Uio/Lim.

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Poiu wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:12
crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:49

20.000 pax can also be 4 flights if combined with another destination like Quito for example.
You need 2 aircraft to operate 4 weekly Uio/Lim.
KL Schedule is 12.30 PM AMS LIM > 6 PM arrival / Departure 8 PM LIM AMS > 3.30 PM...27 hours.

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What I find interesting here is not really the fact that Brussels would be eventually involve in a project of route between BRU and LIM, but more the fact that Brussels Airlines is starting showing interest in South America.

There where first last week those code sharing agreement on the Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Bogota and Buenos Aires flight operated by Lufthansa and now this. I find it very encouraging. But as say Jetter, I would preferably see Brussels Airlines operate a less risky destination as Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro, or to a big star alliance hub like Bogota.

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nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:20
Poiu wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:12
crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 12:49

20.000 pax can also be 4 flights if combined with another destination like Quito for example.
You need 2 aircraft to operate 4 weekly Uio/Lim.
KL Schedule is 12.30 PM AMS LIM > 6 PM arrival / Departure 8 PM LIM AMS > 3.30 PM...27 hours.
With a stop,at Uio 30 hours plus 2 at home base before next flight aircraft time minimum32hours. Difficult to combine with another rotation as only 16 hours left before the next departure to Lim/Uio . The fourth flight would need 32 hours from another aircraft. Too costly I think.
The problem will be the same for all triangular flights to South America.

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Poiu wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:45
nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:20
Poiu wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:12


You need 2 aircraft to operate 4 weekly Uio/Lim.
KL Schedule is 12.30 PM AMS LIM > 6 PM arrival / Departure 8 PM LIM AMS > 3.30 PM...27 hours.
With a stop,at Uio 30 hours plus 2 at home base before next flight aircraft time minimum32hours. Difficult to combine with another rotation as only 16 hours left before the next departure to Lim/Uio . The fourth flight would need 32 hours from another aircraft. Too costly I think.
The problem will be the same for all triangular flights to South America.
As Nordikcam wrotte, a single rotation to a single destination like Lima take more than 24 hours, so 2 destination or 1 doesn't really matter as in both case 2 aircrafts are needed.

However for the business, it make more sense to fly a destination combined with another one 4 times a week than twice a week to a single destination. Of course if they can fill an aircraft to Lima 4 times a week direct both way, it would be great but I doubt that the demand is strong enough.

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crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:28
What I find interesting here is not really the fact that Brussels would be eventually involve in a project of route between BRU and LIM, but more the fact that Brussels Airlines is starting showing interest in South America.

There where first last week those code sharing agreement on the Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Bogota and Buenos Aires flight operated by Lufthansa and now this. I find it very encouraging. But as say Jetter, I would preferably see Brussels Airlines operate a less risky destination as Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro, or to a big star alliance hub like Bogota.
LH and LX are linking GIG and GRU.
LH fly BOG.
I would understand that they are looking to find their own niche even though it is more difficult. Maybe BOG LIM.
We are dreaming but it's good...and I find too it encouraging...but which one "new" aircraft ?

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crew1990 wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:58

As Nordikcam wrotte, a single rotation to a single destination like Lima take more than 24 hours, so 2 destination or 1 doesn't really matter as in both case 2 aircrafts are needed.

However for the business, it make more sense to fly a destination combined with another one 4 times a week than twice a week to a single destination. Of course if they can fill an aircraft to Lima 4 times a week direct both way, it would be great but I doubt that the demand is strong enough.
As KLM with AMS QUITO GUAYAQUIL ?

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nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 17:14
As KLM with AMS QUITO GUAYAQUIL ?
Indeed, but that is more viable as Quito and Guayaquil only have European service from AMS and MAD, while Lima has daily non-stop service from MAD and AMS and 5 weekly non-stop service from PAR. With those last 2 airports being so close it's hard to compete for business traffic with an extra stop and less frequency.

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Poiu wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:45
nordikcam wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:20
Poiu wrote:
08 May 2017, 16:12


You need 2 aircraft to operate 4 weekly Uio/Lim.
KL Schedule is 12.30 PM AMS LIM > 6 PM arrival / Departure 8 PM LIM AMS > 3.30 PM...27 hours.
With a stop,at Uio 30 hours plus 2 at home base before next flight aircraft time minimum32hours. Difficult to combine with another rotation as only 16 hours left before the next departure to Lim/Uio . The fourth flight would need 32 hours from another aircraft. Too costly I think.
The problem will be the same for all triangular flights to South America.
Or combine a 3 weekly UIO/LIM with a "short" flight to e.g. Dakar. To copy KL schedule hereabove, you add: BRU: 6.00 pm-DKR: 0.00 am-2.00 am-BRU: 8.00 am. This might be a second flight to DKR 3 weekly. Or the same for Ouaga, but here it opens a triangular ABJ flight (current SN255) to, say Lagos.
You can always call Air Atlantic if there is a hiccup somewhere. :) ;)

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Why Lima? Are there so many Peruvians in Belgium? If Brussels Airlines wants a new long haul destination for expats living in Belgium, let them take a look at Manila instead.

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