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BRU Summer 2018: news, new routes, airlines

Post by SabenaForever » 10 Apr 2017, 08:24

TG Bangkok – Brussels Increase from 4 to 5 weekly (comparison for Apr/May 2018 vs Apr/May 2017)

TG934 BKK0030 – 0740BRU 359 x13
TG935 BRU1330 – 0535+1BKK 359 x13

Current schedule listing is available until the first week of May 2018. Additional changes expected in the coming weeks.

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Post by crew1990 » 01 Sep 2017, 01:00

After: https://www.aviation24.be/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62084

I guess the next Asian destination could be Singapore with Singapore Airlines?

Wich major Asian destination still missing in BRU, I see Singapore for Singapore Airlines, Seoul for Asiana, Delhi and Teheran for Brussels Airlines, what else?

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Post by HQ_BRU_Lover » 01 Sep 2017, 10:54

The usual SN questions: evening flight to NYC? BOS?

The usual BRU question: what about South America?

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Post by domtom » 01 Sep 2017, 13:52

On the latter, I don't see who would serve South America. Not sure SN can get its teeth into that market with so much competition around, save one/two discrete routes? So perhaps a South American airline opening a link to Brussels (maybe LATAM or AVIANCA?)

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Post by travellover » 01 Sep 2017, 14:49

Hello,
something new about Latam (JJ) contacts with BRU and which destinations could be in the pipeline ?

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/latam/b ... lima-peru/
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Post by Atlantis » 01 Sep 2017, 22:42

crew1990 wrote:
01 Sep 2017, 01:00
After: https://www.aviation24.be/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62084

I guess the next Asian destination could be Singapore with Singapore Airlines?

Wich major Asian destination still missing in BRU, I see Singapore for Singapore Airlines, Seoul for Asiana, Delhi and Teheran for Brussels Airlines, what else?
Singapore should be added for sure.

Seoul: talks are ongoing with Asiana for the moment, but it will take time

South-America: A delegation of LATAM was already visiting BRU to check the facilities and much more. They would like to open a basis in Europe (Brussels is one of the candidates) and they will send three planes (possible daily) to this new base.

Vancouver: operated by Air Canada. But this is not for the near future.

Houston and the second NY flight operated by United. But they are very, very silent the last year.

SN could be the partner who is opening the second NY flight (evening flight), BOS flight and maybe SFO in a few years.

South Africa: SN has not the right plane for this and South African is in financial trouble. They will not open a new expensive new route. So this will still be a black spot.

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Post by lumumba » 02 Sep 2017, 00:00

Atlantis wrote:
01 Sep 2017, 22:42
crew1990 wrote:
01 Sep 2017, 01:00
After: https://www.aviation24.be/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62084

I guess the next Asian destination could be Singapore with Singapore Airlines?

Wich major Asian destination still missing in BRU, I see Singapore for Singapore Airlines, Seoul for Asiana, Delhi and Teheran for Brussels Airlines, what else?
Singapore should be added for sure.

Seoul: talks are ongoing with Asiana for the moment, but it will take time

South-America: A delegation of LATAM was already visiting BRU to check the facilities and much more. They would like to open a basis in Europe (Brussels is one of the candidates) and they will send three planes (possible daily) to this new base.

Vancouver: operated by Air Canada. But this is not for the near future.

Houston and the second NY flight operated by United. But they are very, very silent the last year.

SN could be the partner who is opening the second NY flight (evening flight), BOS flight and maybe SFO in a few years.

South Africa: SN has not the right plane for this and South African is in financial trouble. They will not open a new expensive new route. So this will still be a black spot.
So nothing for near future....
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Post by teach » 02 Sep 2017, 00:12

What about Oman Air to Muscat? That was rumored a while back...

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Post by Atlantis » 02 Sep 2017, 12:42

teach wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 00:12
What about Oman Air to Muscat? That was rumored a while back...
Oman Air has indeed the intention to fly to BRU but somehow LH is holding this and LH tight the bound with Oman Air instead of allowing them to fly to BRU.

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Post by Ansett » 02 Sep 2017, 13:23

I think I already said it, but I'll repeat it (in short) : I'm convinced LH/CS will restrict SN's expansion to Western and Central Africa (general rule with some rare exceptions). They will continue to treat SN in a stepmotherly way. Other long-haul expansion for SN in BRU will come under EW and the EW model. So, no SN to MCT or no Oman Air to BRU but reinforce MCT-Germany. We just will have to fly vie FRA/MCT. I take the train to CDG and get on Oman Air there, very convenient, good airline, a nice alternative to the 3BigME airlines.

As to AIr Belgium, can someone clarify something for me (thanks) : wasn't Air Belgium primarily set up to bring Chinese tourist to Europe via Belgium (BRU ?). An airline working mainly for Chinese tour operators ?

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Post by travellover » 02 Sep 2017, 18:33

Not obvious from LH to get Oman Air in Brussels.
In another way, Lufthansa Group and BRU bring CX and HKG.
Wait and see...
LH obviously wants SN to be its trojan horse in Africa. More frequencies, more direct flights in the coming years.

https://africareportonbusiness.com/2017 ... n-afrique/
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Post by Poiu » 02 Sep 2017, 19:55

travellover wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 18:33
Not obvious from LH to get Oman Air in Brussels.
In another way, Lufthansa Group and BRU bring CX and HKG.
What are you trying to say? I am afraid your message got lost in google translate...
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Post by sn26567 » 02 Sep 2017, 20:16

If Oman Air wants to fly to Brussels, how could LH prevent them from doing so? LH doesn't own Brussels Airport, for as far as I know.
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Post by CTBke » 02 Sep 2017, 20:38

Poiu wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 19:55
travellover wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 18:33
Not obvious from LH to get Oman Air in Brussels.
In another way, Lufthansa Group and BRU bring CX and HKG.
What are you trying to say? Your message got lost in google translate...
LH group has nothing to see with CX as they're oneworld ;)
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Post by Homo Aeroportus » 02 Sep 2017, 21:19

domtom wrote:
01 Sep 2017, 13:52
On the latter, I don't see who would serve South America. Not sure SN can get its teeth into that market with so much competition around, save one/two discrete routes? So perhaps a South American airline opening a link to Brussels (maybe LATAM or AVIANCA?)

To me Panama Tocumen remains a sweet spot.
I mentioned this 2 years ago : https://www.aviation24.be/forums/viewtopic ... 7&start=20

The new terminal is about to enter in service in September 2018, providing easier transfer and COPA, a Star Alliance member, maintains an impressive growth.
They offer a wide network with many destinations in central and south America :
Screenshot 2017-09-02 20.28.49.png
Per FR24, only 4 direct routes link PTY to Europe :
MAD, with a daily IB A332
FRA, with a five times a week LH A343
CDG, with six weekly AF B772
AMS, with daily KL 77W

13 Skyteam flights into a Star hub that the Alliance feeds with 1/3 of the seats that ST offers, doesn't this leave some room?

OK PTY, like JNB, is not reasonably within range of the SN current fleet but ... ?

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Post by travellover » 02 Sep 2017, 23:23

Poiu wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 19:55
travellover wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 18:33
Not obvious from LH to get Oman Air in Brussels.
In another way, Lufthansa Group and BRU bring CX and HKG.
What are you trying to say? I am afraid your message got lost in google translate...
😊😂 Are you sure? You quote Google Translate easily. Of course, I'm using quality dictionaries sometimes, like many others, to learn always more from a language I love. Please play the ball, not the player.

Now, reading the press and forums, did LH give a push for the next spring coming of CX at BRU following their recent agreement with CX?
And the bad circumstances for AB (CX partner) and for DUS?

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_IL/ ... ement.html

In another way, BRU management and CX had 3 years of talks. It's not fortuitous.

What's the story with Oman Air, where are the talks with BRU, maybe will they come? Could LH prevent them to come, if they intend to do so? Code-sharing with them in FRA or MUC to make them give the priority to german hubs?
Atlantis wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 12:42

Oman Air has indeed the intention to fly to BRU but somehow LH is holding this and LH tight the bound with Oman Air instead of allowing them to fly to BRU.
And surely with the closure of Nairobi two years ago to switch off SN in favour of LH itself, which is a pity for SN. But LH also gave Accra away to let SN enter the ghanean market again.
And it seems LH has the will and knows the way to grow in Africa by for instance giving SN management full permission to become a more important player in Africa (less triangular flights, more direct connections). India is a sensitive market for LH and SN can spread its wings there beside LH.

So, to keep beeing objective, nor daydreaming, nor bashing. LH is strengthening SN for the future, even if some decisions are not in favour of SN. I may be wrong but it seems to me that SN has made a good deal becoming part of the LH/EW group. Future will tell.

Although in Germany, the AB take-over story by LH, attempting to almost entirely adquire it isn't a good sign for the consumers and competition.
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Post by travellover » 02 Sep 2017, 23:35

CTBke wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 20:38
travellover wrote:
02 Sep 2017, 18:33
Not obvious from LH to get Oman Air in Brussels.
In another way, Lufthansa Group and BRU bring CX and HKG.
LH group has nothing to see with CX as they're oneworld ;)
Well, there is an agreement since last march between both parts : LH group and CX. All benefit for SN, BRU and the traveler.
CX doesn't find enough support in Europe from Oneworld partners to spread up.

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_IL/ ... ement.html
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Post by HQ_BRU_Lover » 15 Sep 2017, 12:43

Read that United expands it's Europe network. Nothing about BRU though. Will everything remain the same? No evening flight to NYC? IAH not on the table, yet?

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Post by Inquirer » 19 Sep 2017, 11:30

Contrary to what was said by Ryanair at their press conference in Belgium last week, they do seem to cut back at BRU after all! Not only does the flight to Malta get moved to CRL as was already discovered, but also do they slash the number for weekly flights to Berlin next summer...

After vueling and easyjet, now also ryanair in retreat at BRU!?

PS: as this winter they axe Hamburg, it seems their assault on the business-oriented market between Brussels and Germany is failing.

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Post by Atlantis » 19 Sep 2017, 11:52

HQ_BRU_Lover wrote:
15 Sep 2017, 12:43
Read that United expands it's Europe network. Nothing about BRU though. Will everything remain the same? No evening flight to NYC? IAH not on the table, yet?
It's indeed very remarkable that United is not expanding further at BRU. With the much more intercontinental traffic you could suppose that for them is also much more attractive, but they prefer to expand on other, non-*Alliance airports.

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