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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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People have every right to discuss the different registrations, as they have every right to discuss new planes for SN, TB or WLM.
As long as those discussions remain civil and within the rules set out for the forum, you're free to discuss whatever you want in a relevant topic.
If no such topic exists, feel free to make a new one.

That's ultimately what the forum is for.
The reason why people discuss the registrations: SN is quite predictable with their registrations (save for the last letter, sometimes). TB is not.
TB is quite predicable as to which aircraft (type) will enter the fleet (save for some wet leases). SN, at this time, not really.
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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JAFflyer wrote: 16 Nov 2017, 10:36
Yuqu12 wrote: 15 Nov 2017, 09:22 If I'm not wrong: the 2nd Dreamliner will be another 787-8 from another airline in the TUI-group and the new 787-9 will then go to this other airline, not TUI Belgium.
I didn't say the 787-8 will be factory new, it will indeed come from TOM as soon as they receive their 787-9. That being said, the oldest 787-8 in the TOM fleet is only 4 years old, still relatively new and far more advanced than the A330's or A340's...

I was just trying to point out the double standards. Everything about Brussels Airlines is wow, even second hand A330's from LH, but with TUI, people start discussing about registrations. Something that has bothered me for quite some time now on this forum.

And just to be clear, I would applaud a new aircraft type at Brussels Airlines!
Totally agree with this, who the hell cares about registrations and how alphabetical they are? The double standards thing has been an issue for 5 years already.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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sean1982 wrote: 17 Nov 2017, 12:07
JAFflyer wrote: 16 Nov 2017, 10:36
Yuqu12 wrote: 15 Nov 2017, 09:22 If I'm not wrong: the 2nd Dreamliner will be another 787-8 from another airline in the TUI-group and the new 787-9 will then go to this other airline, not TUI Belgium.
I didn't say the 787-8 will be factory new, it will indeed come from TOM as soon as they receive their 787-9. That being said, the oldest 787-8 in the TOM fleet is only 4 years old, still relatively new and far more advanced than the A330's or A340's...

I was just trying to point out the double standards. Everything about Brussels Airlines is wow, even second hand A330's from LH, but with TUI, people start discussing about registrations. Something that has bothered me for quite some time now on this forum.

And just to be clear, I would applaud a new aircraft type at Brussels Airlines!
Totally agree with this, who the hell cares about registrations and how alphabetical they are? The double standards thing has been an issue for 5 years already.
Shouldn't be any difference in the way they are discussed indeed. 2 german companies IMHO.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Article: "Next to Boeing 737MAX8 TUI fly Belgium will add four B737MAX10 aircraft to its fleet" (flightlevel.be in Dutch).

loosely translated:
In addition to its 15 B737 MAX8s that will be delivered to TUI fly from January onwards, the Belgian company will eventually also take 4 copies of the larger B737 MAX10 in its fleet. That aircraft will be able to carry a maximum of up to 230 passengers. (...) TUI fly is expected to have its 4 B737 MAX10s delivered between 2021 and 2022.


19 brand new aircraft in the next few years... :shock:

<edit: Maybe this fits better in "TUI fly in 2018" topic? Feel free to change if desired>

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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So TUI fly Belgium will have almost as much aircraft as SN and they're almost all brand new. Can't we make TUI our 'flag carrier'? ;)

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Are these only for expansion, or will they replace some of the older 737s as well?
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Hi !

Could someone tell me how much is the pitch (seats) in the premium economy class of the 767-304ER (OO-JNL) ?

Thanks ! ;)

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mike777 wrote: 22 Nov 2017, 20:38 Hi !

Could someone tell me how much is the pitch (seats) in the premium economy class of the 767-304ER (OO-JNL) ?

Thanks ! ;)
The problem with that plane is not the pitch, but the 8 seats across (2-4-2) when ALL the other 767s have only 7 seats across (2-3-2). You will feel terribly cramped.
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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sn26567 wrote: 22 Nov 2017, 23:57
mike777 wrote: 22 Nov 2017, 20:38 Hi !
Could someone tell me how much is the pitch (seats) in the premium economy class of the 767-304ER (OO-JNL) ?
The problem with that plane is not the pitch, but the 8 seats across (2-4-2) when ALL the other 767s have only 7 seats across (2-3-2). You will feel terribly cramped.
I think sn26567 might be mistaken with SN's Premium Economy ('Economy Privilege') on A330 (seatmap), which is indeed 8 seats across (2-4-2) which could feel cramped. (pitch 34" & width 17,5")

TUI B767 (same seatmap as OO-JNL) Premium Economy is 7 seats across (2-3-2).
(pitch 36" & width 20,5")

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I'm very happy that TUI is getting all these new modern planes... good for them.. I personally work with them often and they've been nothing but great!!!
On the other hand I find it sad that the flag carrier is operating with old/older planes and doesn't have a single new plane on order... Heck even SATA which operates some of the oldest planes from Europe to Boston here (A310) is getting 6 new A321s... Maybe SN can take over their A310s ;)

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Sai wrote: 23 Nov 2017, 00:47 TUI B767 (same seatmap as OO-JNL) Premium Economy is 7 seats across (2-3-2).
(pitch 36" & width 20,5")
Thanks for your answer !

I flew with this aircraft (B767-304ER from Tuifly) last year in Economy premium.
Next year, I will fly perhaps with Lufthansa; I just wanted to compare the 2 pitch. With Lufthansa, the pitch is 31... I just hope it's not too small ! :?

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Sai wrote: 23 Nov 2017, 00:47
sn26567 wrote: 22 Nov 2017, 23:57
mike777 wrote: 22 Nov 2017, 20:38 Hi !
Could someone tell me how much is the pitch (seats) in the premium economy class of the 767-304ER (OO-JNL) ?
The problem with that plane is not the pitch, but the 8 seats across (2-4-2) when ALL the other 767s have only 7 seats across (2-3-2). You will feel terribly cramped.
I think sn26567 might be mistaken with SN's Premium Economy ('Economy Privilege') on A330 (seatmap), which is indeed 8 seats across (2-4-2) which could feel cramped. (pitch 34" & width 17,5")

TUI B767 (same seatmap as OO-JNL) Premium Economy is 7 seats across (2-3-2).
(pitch 36" & width 20,5")
Sorry. Indeed I missed the word "premium" before "economy". It's the economy class of OO-JNL that is horrendous.
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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sn26567 wrote: 23 Nov 2017, 12:18
Sai wrote: 23 Nov 2017, 00:47
sn26567 wrote: 22 Nov 2017, 23:57 The problem with that plane is not the pitch, but the 8 seats across (2-4-2) when ALL the other 767s have only 7 seats across (2-3-2). You will feel terribly cramped.
I think sn26567 might be mistaken with SN's Premium Economy ('Economy Privilege') on A330 (seatmap), which is indeed 8 seats across (2-4-2) which could feel cramped. (pitch 34" & width 17,5")

TUI B767 (same seatmap as OO-JNL) Premium Economy is 7 seats across (2-3-2).
(pitch 36" & width 20,5")
Sorry. Indeed I missed the word "premium" before "economy". It's the economy class of OO-JNL that is horrendous.
I can understand ;) ....but even then, when you compare the above seatmaps with SN A330 in 'regular' economy there is still more space (pitch & width) on TUI B767 , even with 2-4-2 in eco......which actually startled me :?

For the record I don't want to start an endless topic with comparisons about seatpitch which is more or less the same and cetainly not with you Sn26567 as I appreciate your posts ;)

But to me it just shows that TUI seems to have a perception issue on that part...Something their marketing dept maybe should adress.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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The seat width variations are sometimes difficult to compare. To take the A330 as an example you can find variaitons from 17.2" up to 19" on SeatGuru and they are all in a 2-4-2 configuration. Does it have to do with the armrests (e.g. SN has like many a double centre armrest for the 4 middle seats), width of the aisles, methods of measurement, unreliable information, ...
Just like with the 787 in 3-3-3 or 777 in 3-4-3 configuration on which you hear so many complaints, some of those airlines claim a 18" seat width. Same with a 767 in 2-4-2... The 767 in 2-3-2 is extremely comfortable for economy, that's true, but a 2-4-2 while the cabin is narrower than the A330...

In any case, it's sometimes really down to the specific seat design whether it is comfortable or not. Just looking at the number of seats per row, doesn't say it all.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Bralo20 wrote: 13 Nov 2017, 16:00 MSN: 44588
L/N: 6735
Engines: CFMI LEAP-1B
Current status: FAL

It's currently located on the final assembly line so it probably won't take to long anymore before painting and testflights.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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It seems that TB-5052 BJL-SID-BRU Banjul-Espargos Espargos-Brussels diverted to LPA Las Palmas.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tb5052
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... ah#fb3dbdf

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Passenger wrote: 01 Dec 2017, 19:28 It seems that TB-5052 BJL-SID-BRU Banjul-Espargos Espargos-Brussels diverted to LPA Las Palmas.
Fuel shortage at SID.

Greetings

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Apparently OO-MAX has been build and is now situated on the flightline for pre-flight preparations.

The first 737 MAX on the Belgian register is almost ready to take the skies ;)

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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737MAX wrote: 04 Dec 2017, 11:51 Note quite.
An aircraft without engines cannot take the skies ;)
According to the list it has engines (and I did write "almost" :mrgreen:) :

Line number: LN6735
Block number: 1A851
Serial number: 44588
Registration: OO-MAX
Type: B737-8MAX
Customer: Jetairfly
Engines: 2x LEAP-1B
Aircraft disposition: Pre-flight Prep
City Location: Renton
Location: Flightline

But no more details (yet)... Yesterday it was still on the FAL.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2017

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Sunwing Airlines (Canada) took delivery of one B737-800, serial 39093, leased from TUI fly Belgium.
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