Ryanair in 2017

[luchtzak]

Is this a joke?

http://pagtour.info/ryanair-va-sinstaller-a-liege/

I have asked Ryanair for some more information but “We are always interested in new routes, but we do not comment upon or engage in speculation.”

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... gian-base/

[Passenger]

Is this a joke?
http://pagtour.info/ryanair-va-sinstaller-a-liege/

I have asked Ryanair for some more information but “We are always interested in new routes, but we do not comment upon or engage in speculation.”
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... gian-base/

There is no name change yet from Liège Airport into Brussels East Liège Airport, so it's just a rumour.

[luchtzak]

Is this a joke?
http://pagtour.info/ryanair-va-sinstaller-a-liege/

I have asked Ryanair for some more information but “We are always interested in new routes, but we do not comment upon or engage in speculation.”
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... gian-base/

There is no name change yet from Liège Airport into Brussels East Liège Airport, so it's just a rumour.

Yet PagTour.info announced the news as a scoop!

[luchtzak]

I have asked Ryanair for some more information but “We are always interested in new routes, but we do not comment upon or engage in speculation.”
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... gian-base/

There is no name change yet from Liège Airport into Brussels East Liège Airport, so it's just a rumour.

Yet PagTour.info announced the news as a scoop!

Liège Airport also gave a brief statement: "We only comment on official announcements, not on negotiations and discussions. Nothing has been made official." 

[convair]

There is no name change yet from Liège Airport into Brussels East Liège Airport, so it's just a rumour.

Yet PagTour.info announced the news as a scoop!

Liège Airport also gave a brief statement: "We only comment on official announcements, not on negotiations and discussions. Nothing has been made official." 

Looks like the strongest confirmation you can get.

[ostair]

Will depend on the destinations on offer at LGG but will it be highly likely that surrounding airports such as Maastricht will lose some or all Ryanair flights...

[sn26567]

Hopefully the pilots will not forget the cabin crew who are much more in need of representation than them

Pilots need not forget cabin crew. Ryanair will also recognise cabin crew unions:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... ew-unions/

[Passenger]

Another deadline:

"...Trade union representatives for Ryanair pilots have said that the threat of strike action remains a possibility unless management responds to their collective bargaining proposals by noon on Thursday..."

Continues here:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1218/928349-ryanair/

[Passenger]

Next in please...

Dutch trade union FNV Aviation joins the queue for recognizition:
https://www.fnv.nl/in-jouw-regio/Noord- ... n_ryanair/

[sn26567]

Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary sees chances for new bases in France and Scandinavia thanks to the carrier’s move to recognize unions.

Or how to change defeats into opportunities...

[Passenger]

Regarding the strike in Germany (Friday, 05h00-09h00):
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... -december/

It seems that Vereinigung Cockpit disagreed with the Ryanair statement in the above article (though I don't really understand the trade union language)
https://www.vcockpit.de/en/presse/press ... ungen.html

So passengers will be used, once again, as hostage in a conflict between employer and employees.

[KriVa]

I’ve seen that argument used about a thousand times now... What other course of action would you recommend? Especially if one of the parties on the negotiations deadlocks the entire process?

[Passenger]

Maybe it's used a Thousand times because it's a valid argument: don't harass passengers. If you have a conflict with O'Leary, then cause damage to him. Don't punish passengers who have nothing to do with your conflict, and who actually do nothing more then pay for their tickets.

Just one example: the trade unions could ask their members to load much more fuel then needed "because of unconfirmed rumours of a fuel shortage somewhere in Europe".

[lumumba]

Maybe it's used a Thousand times because it's a valid argument: don't harass passengers. If you have a conflict with O'Leary, then cause damage to him. Don't punish passengers who have nothing to do with your conflict, and who actually do nothing more then pay for their tickets.

Just one example: the trade unions could ask their members to load much more fuel then needed "because of unconfirmed rumours of a fuel shortage somewhere in Europe".

This will not hurt enough you now striking is a solution sometimes and sure with O'Leary because he understand one rule and that is rule of the strongest....

Not only that it's not a wild strike there is time to negotiate to arrange it.

[euroflyer]

Regarding the strike in Germany (Friday, 05h00-09h00):
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... -december/

It seems that Vereinigung Cockpit disagreed with the Ryanair statement in the above article (though I don't really understand the trade union language)
https://www.vcockpit.de/en/presse/press ... ungen.html

So passengers will be used, once again, as hostage in a conflict between employer and employees.

So what is not understandable in the trade union language? The meeting between FR and VC did not even lead to any real discussion because FR said it would not talk to 2 out of 5 people in the union delegation. FR only wants to talk to a delegation of pilots which are employed by FR, not to any union officials (professional union staff or other members of the union bodies employed by other airlines). This might be ok under Irish labour law, but as it is a negotiation for a German CLA this is clearly a not acceptable behaviour by FR - it is not up to the employer to decide on the composition of the union delegation (and vice versa). Somit seems to the union the whole exercise is just a 'bluff' by FR to survive the Christmas week without any actions, thus the warning strike tomorrow morning as an ad-hoc reaction. A normal procedure under German labour law and industrial relations ... ( but of course highly unusual for FR )

[Passenger]

Maybe it's used a Thousand times because it's a valid argument: don't harass passengers. If you have a conflict with O'Leary, then cause damage to him. Don't punish passengers who have nothing to do with your conflict, and who actually do nothing more then pay for their tickets.
Just one example: the trade unions could ask their members to load much more fuel then needed "because of unconfirmed rumours of a fuel shortage somewhere in Europe".

This will not hurt enough you now striking is a solution sometimes and sure with O'Leary because he understand one rule and that is rule of the strongest....

Not enough? No problem, then find something else. But leave the passengers out of the conflict please. Specially at Ryanair, where passengers don't have the escape of rerouting on another carrier.

[epsilon]

https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/ee ... ~ad73bac4/

[KriVa]

And don't you think the pilots and cabin crew tried to keep the passengers out of this conflict for as long as they could? It's not like they just start a strike for the fun of it, which you still seem to believe. They have been trying to employ other ways, lots of them. But at a certain point, enough is enough, and only hard action will make the other party come to the table, to even start the negotiations, let alone finish them.
There's no way to play both sides here, and "hurt" FR, and keep the passengers out of the conflict.
Even so, at any other company, it wouldn't need to come to an actual strike, but we've seen before that that's not really an option here.

[epsilon]

Even so, at any other company, it wouldn't need to come to an actual strike, but we've seen before that that's not really an option here.

Tell that to Lufthansa pilots and BA cabincrew...

[luchtzak]

Little impact on Ryanair flights despite very first strike, 9 out of 36 flights got delayed.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryana ... st-strike/