Colombia: crash LAMIA Bolivia LMI-2933 Avro RJ-85 near Medellin - 77 people onboard - 6 survivors

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To fly directly to an airport at the extreme limit of the range, without a 30 minutes safety margin, without the possibility to go to an alternate airport, looks to me like a very bad human error.
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sn26567 wrote:To fly directly to an airport at the extreme limit of the range, without a 30 minutes safety margin, without the possibility to go to an alternate airport, looks to me like a very bad human error.
Media reports that the "pilot is a mass murderer".

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/38743/Vliegtui ... oord.dhtml

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Plain and simple criminal behavior by the captain/company co-owner, the co-pilot and even the flight dispatcher who perished also on board of this plane. This dispatcher filed this flight plan (courtsey of The DailyMail) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/ ... 830343.jpg, that was rejected initially by the female ARO/AIS officer at Santa Cruz, because of the Flightime: 04:22 / Endurance 04:22. However being pressured by the Lamia dispatcher, the flightplan was accepted eventually.

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Human stupidity would be better then human error in this case. Anyway... conclusion.. If he would have declared the right emergency sooner... they would be alive?

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LAMia CEO Gustavo Vargas was detained by Bolivian authorities over possible criminal failure to follow safety procedures regarding the recent plane crash in Colombia which killed 71.
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sn26567 wrote:The boss of the LaMia airline has been arrested by the Bolivian authorities and indicted of murder.
A female air traffic controller of Santa Cruz de la Sierra has also been indicted: initially she refused to accept the flight plan of the aircraft because the duration of the flight was equal to the range. But when the pilot insisted he could do the trip in less time, she accepted to let the plane take off.
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On Dec 26th 2016 Colombia's Aerocivil introduced their preliminary report in a press conference (the preliminary report itsself was not released) stating, that the aircraft did not show any technical fault, there was no sabotage or suicide attempt.

The evidence revealed the aircraft suffered fuel exhaustion. The crew was aware of their fuel status and considered fuel stops in Leticia (Bolivia) and Bogota (Colombia), however did not decide to perform such stops.

The aircraft was operated at a takeoff weight of 42,148 kg, maximum takeoff weight permitted 41,800 kg, this takeoff weight was not a factor into the accident however.

According to cockpit voice recordings the first officer and observer repeatedly calculated the fuel and considered a fuel stop in Leticia but did not follow up as they did not know whether the airport was open.

The aircraft features a system that activates an alarm if the fuel remaining was no longer sufficient for more than 20 minutes of flight, however, this system did not activate. 10 minutes prior to impact the crew requested priority for landing and selected the first stage of flaps. The aircraft began to turn and descend without ATC clearance causing separation problem with the other aircraft in the hold.

6 minutes prior to impact engine #3 is the first to flame out, 5 minutes prior to impact the crew selected the next stage of flaps and selected the landing gear down, the crew advised ATC ground services were not needed.

Engine #2 fails. 3:45 minutes prior to impact all engines had flamed out, the aircraft was without power, the APU also failed due to lack of fuel. 2 minutes prior to impact the crew declared emergency reporting total power failure.

The aircraft impacted Cerro Gordo at a speed of 230km/h below 9000 feet when they needed to be above 10,000 feet to safely cross the mountain.

Source: The Aviation Herald
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One of the six survivors, radio reporter Rafael Henzel (45), died from a heart attack yesterday.

(source: MSM)

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