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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by Passenger » 25 Sep 2017, 15:34

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Air France unveiled details of its new subsidiary Joon, after resolving a lengthy dispute between the management and pilots over the establishment of the subsidiary. The carrier is expected to launch medium-haul service from Paris CDG in late 2017, with long-haul flights to follow in summer 2018.
http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-f ... ir-france/

They have dropped their age restriction (18-35), but they still present themselves as an airline not suitable for the older travellers.

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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by luchtzak » 30 Nov 2017, 11:30

Air France today officially presented Joon

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-f ... xperience/

I don't see them as a low-cost airline, I don't see them as a new generation travel experience either ...

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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by luchtzak » 30 Nov 2017, 11:53

About the uniforms, website Upinthesky.nl says: "The airline targets youngsters, looking at the flight attendants uniforms. It's not a traditional uniform, but they look like hipsters in coffee bar!"

Do they have to work at Joon until 60 ? or is that age-restricted ;-)

http://www.upinthesky.nl/2017/11/30/air ... we-routes/

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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by Passenger » 30 Nov 2017, 12:11

luchtzak wrote:
30 Nov 2017, 11:53
About the uniforms, website Upinthesky.nl says: "The airline targets youngsters, looking at the flight attendants uniforms. It's not a traditional uniform, but they look like hipsters in coffee bar!"
For me, Joon qualifies for the Marketing Blunder of the Year. By presenting themselves that strongly as an airline, made for the 18-35's, they discourage passengers above 50-60. I wonder if they know the average passengers age for their three destinations outside Europe: Cairo, Cape Town and Tehran. Most of the passengers now using Air France will not switch to Joon.

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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by luchtzak » 30 Nov 2017, 13:34

Millennials flying to Tehran ?

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Post by sean1982 » 30 Nov 2017, 14:30

That must be the ugliest uniform in the sky :o

Passenger, looking a BA pax profile for CPT and CAI: First and business class: Older public, economy plus and economu: young people .... so both work

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Post by luchtzak » 30 Nov 2017, 14:56

Official airline team song, earwig - oorworm
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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by Passenger » 30 Nov 2017, 15:08

luchtzak wrote:
30 Nov 2017, 13:34
Millennials flying to Tehran ?
Female crew in that outfit to Tehran?

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Re: The new Air France long-haul LCC has been called "Joon"

Post by Ansett » 30 Nov 2017, 19:06

Passenger wrote:
30 Nov 2017, 12:11
luchtzak wrote:
30 Nov 2017, 11:53
About the uniforms, website Upinthesky.nl says: "The airline targets youngsters, looking at the flight attendants uniforms. It's not a traditional uniform, but they look like hipsters in coffee bar!"
For me, Joon qualifies for the Marketing Blunder of the Year. By presenting themselves that strongly as an airline, made for the 18-35's, they discourage passengers above 50-60. I wonder if they know the average passengers age for their three destinations outside Europe: Cairo, Cape Town and Tehran. Most of the passengers now using Air France will not switch to Joon.

I agree. I don't see how they will fill these planes with 18-35 year-olds only.

About the uniforms : how is one going to make a distinction between pax and cc if they are all more or less dressed the same. If cc wear uniforms, it is to exude authority when necessary and to recognize cc quickly when an emerency occurs. CC or f/a are there primarily to ensure the passengers' security. The rest is secondary (although not for some airlines).

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by TLspotting » 25 Nov 2018, 18:01

Joon's PNC "à bout de souffle", near to strike.

https://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualit ... 50196.html
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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 25 Nov 2018, 19:47

Actually the article refers to PNC, Personnel Navigant Commercial, Cabin Crew or Flight Attendants.
PNT is Personnel Navigant Technique, Flight Crew or Pilots (and Flight Engineers, err never mind).

Harsh working condition for "Stewards and Hostesses". Cabin crew are exhausted.

A CCM reports fatigue and repeated sinusitis due to air conditioning in the aircraft.
Aaah, were are the days you could open a window and breath fresh air?
:lol:

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

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Homo Aeroportus wrote:
25 Nov 2018, 19:47
Actually the article refers to PNC, Personnel Navigant Commercial, Cabin Crew or Flight Attendants.
PNT is Personnel Navigant Technique, Flight Crew or Pilots (and Flight Engineers, err never mind).

Harsh working condition for "Stewards and Hostesses". Cabin crew are exhausted.

A CCM reports fatigue and repeated sinusitis due to air conditioning in the aircraft.
Aaah, were are the days you could open a window and breath fresh air?
:lol:

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by luchtzak » 25 Nov 2018, 20:50

"Un rythme intenable et des paies qui ne suivent pas."

"An unallowable pace and low wage."

Sad ....

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by sn26567 » 25 Nov 2018, 22:57

So, if I understand correctly, the millennials show is only an excuse to launch an airline with lower wages and higher productivity than Air France, thus saving on personnel costs.
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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by Desert Rat » 26 Nov 2018, 09:48

Yes, only the pilots are air france staff.
Air France, where the pilots salary is function of the speed and weight of the A/C (authentic).

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by Poiu » 26 Nov 2018, 11:36

Desert Rat wrote:
26 Nov 2018, 09:48
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Air France, where the pilots salary is function of the speed and weight of the A/C (authentic).
A bit simplistic!
In many airlines, pilots earn more if the fly bigger aircraft.

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by Poiu » 26 Nov 2018, 11:38

sn26567 wrote:
25 Nov 2018, 22:57
So, if I understand correctly, the millennials show is only an excuse to launch an airline with lower wages and higher productivity than Air France, thus saving on personnel costs.
Indeed, exactly the same as Eurowings, Vueling, Iberia Express....

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by Desert Rat » 26 Nov 2018, 15:41

Poiu wrote:
26 Nov 2018, 11:36
Desert Rat wrote:
26 Nov 2018, 09:48
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Air France, where the pilots salary is function of the speed and weight of the A/C (authentic).
A bit simplistic!
In many airlines, pilots earn more if the fly bigger aircraft.
Yes true, but AF is the only one incorporating the speed factor, brought by the"Concorde"...

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by Passenger » 29 Nov 2018, 21:53

Le Figaro: "...Une bougie d'anniversaire, mais pas deux pour la jeune compagnie Joon. Benjamin Smith, le nouveau PDG du groupe Air France-KLM et PDG intérimaire d'Air France, a décidé de mettre fin à l'aventure en bleu et blanc de la dernière-née d'Air France, ses hôtesses et stewards en marinières, tennis et doudounes. Le concept de compagnie «hybride» - ni low-cost ni classique - imaginé il y a un an pour aider Air France à se maintenir sur des lignes déficitaires n'a pas convaincu. La nouvelle équipe à la tête du groupe ne voit pas d'avenir à ce concept «ni ni», dont le modèle économique repose uniquement sur le statut des personnels navigants commerciaux (PNC)... Selon nos informations, la disparition de Joon est aujourd'hui actée. Mais la décision n'a pas encore été abordée en conseil d'administration. Le sort des 550, et même bientôt 700 hôtesses et stewards, recrutés tout spécialement pour voler sur cette compagnie à des conditions moins généreuses que chez Air France, n'est pas..."

http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2018/11 ... e-joon.php

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Re: Air France new millenials subsidiary is called Joon

Post by luchtzak » 29 Nov 2018, 22:39

Aviation24.be picked up the story and wrote an item on Joon: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... llennials/

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