I wanted to create a topic, to discuss what new destinations BRU will have/should have by 2020. If this kind of tread already exist, feel free to close/delete this topic, but I thought I would be nice to discuss this in one central topic.
Below a list of routes I think are really missing in the BRU network and which carriers should serve them:
North America:
- BOS: by SN
- SFO or LAX: by UA
- IAH: by UA
- MEX: by AM
South America:
- GIG: by JJ
- GRU: by JJ
Asia:
- HKG: by CX
- PVG: by HU
- ICN: by OZ
- SIN: by SQ
- DEL: by SN
Africa:
- NBO: by SN
- JRO and DAR (triangl flight): by SN
- JNB: by SN.
Feel free to comment and add destinations/airlines
BRU in 2020
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Re: BRU in 2020
Nice idea! Although one has to be careful not to be too ambitious. Belgium stays Belgium, Brussels stays Brussels. Small. At least, not that big.
Nevertheless, i agree that there is a big lack of destinations at BRU, that are very BRU-worthy...
In your list:
- BOS, LAX, SFO and IAH: yes sir. For sure one of the middle two. MEX not too sure.
- GIG, GRU: yes. I'm giving LATAM a 75-80% chance to choose BRU as their hub, and then you can expect BSB as well.
- HKG, SIN: yes. PVG: 99% sure that HU starts this route in 2017. DEL for sure not by SN, AI maybe. ICN not too sure.
- JNB: yes, but me guess will be SA. NBO not by SN I think. They just swapped it with mommy LH. JRO and DAR not too sure.
(Btw: as i say 'yes', I mean 'I agree'. Not that i will expect to see this route starting up... or at least not that much.)
Nevertheless, i agree that there is a big lack of destinations at BRU, that are very BRU-worthy...
In your list:
- BOS, LAX, SFO and IAH: yes sir. For sure one of the middle two. MEX not too sure.
- GIG, GRU: yes. I'm giving LATAM a 75-80% chance to choose BRU as their hub, and then you can expect BSB as well.
- HKG, SIN: yes. PVG: 99% sure that HU starts this route in 2017. DEL for sure not by SN, AI maybe. ICN not too sure.
- JNB: yes, but me guess will be SA. NBO not by SN I think. They just swapped it with mommy LH. JRO and DAR not too sure.
(Btw: as i say 'yes', I mean 'I agree'. Not that i will expect to see this route starting up... or at least not that much.)
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There is one continent missing on the list: ours, Europe! Too many destinations are served only by one carrier, and a little competition would help. Other destinations have been served once, and then abandoned. With the constant increase in air travel, they could be reinstated. I let you guess and make up a list
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Seems like a realistic list for 2020. Only MEX and ICN seem unlikely to me.
AM is a SkyTeam carrier that already serves CDG and AMS. BRU can offers no connection that isn't already available via CDG or AMS and also many transferring passengers to/from BRU itself will already transfer on a flight of AM and the catchment area of BRU partially overlaps with those 2 airports.
OZ serves only 5 destinations in Europe at the moment with many Star hubs in Europe still missing. With them already flying to CDG BRU doesn't seem te be their logical 6th or 7th destination in Europe.
AM is a SkyTeam carrier that already serves CDG and AMS. BRU can offers no connection that isn't already available via CDG or AMS and also many transferring passengers to/from BRU itself will already transfer on a flight of AM and the catchment area of BRU partially overlaps with those 2 airports.
OZ serves only 5 destinations in Europe at the moment with many Star hubs in Europe still missing. With them already flying to CDG BRU doesn't seem te be their logical 6th or 7th destination in Europe.
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Yes indeed, I'd love to see Norwegian or Volotea at BRU...sn26567 wrote:There is one continent missing on the list: ours, Europe! Too many destinations are served only by one carrier, and a little competition would help. Other destinations have been served once, and then abandoned. With the constant increase in air travel, they could be reinstated. I let you guess and make up a list
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I didn't include Europe indeed, was more thinking of longhaul BRU in 2020. But you are definitely right, lots opportunities in EU still for BRU. What are the odds of Norwegian adding BRU as hub for their low-cost longhaul ops?sn26567 wrote:There is one continent missing on the list: ours, Europe! Too many destinations are served only by one carrier, and a little competition would help. Other destinations have been served once, and then abandoned. With the constant increase in air travel, they could be reinstated. I let you guess and make up a list
My list was indeed a wish list, having all these destinations by 2020 would wonderful but BRU is still BRU indeed. MEX by AM is indeed a long shot, but I was just thinking that Mexico is a booming country and economy and MEX would be a logical destination. Only the carrier is a big question, I don't see SN doing MEX and AM has already ops to AMS and CDG and is part of SkyTeam but I don't know who else would perform the flight.BRUpilot wrote:Nice idea! Although one has to be careful not to be too ambitious. Belgium stays Belgium, Brussels stays Brussels. Small. At least, not that big.
Nevertheless, i agree that there is a big lack of destinations at BRU, that are very BRU-worthy...
In your list:
- BOS, LAX, SFO and IAH: yes sir. For sure one of the middle two. MEX not too sure.
- GIG, GRU: yes. I'm giving LATAM a 75-80% chance to choose BRU as their hub, and then you can expect BSB as well.
- HKG, SIN: yes. PVG: 99% sure that HU starts this route in 2017. DEL for sure not by SN, AI maybe. ICN not too sure.
- JNB: yes, but me guess will be SA. NBO not by SN I think. They just swapped it with mommy LH. JRO and DAR not too sure.
(Btw: as i say 'yes', I mean 'I agree'. Not that i will expect to see this route starting up... or at least not that much.)
And JNB by SA? Isn't SA in financials problems? I think JNB by SN would be a very nice and logical addition to the SN network, but maybe I'm just dreaming a bit
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Why not :
EUROPE :
HEL : SN - 319
TLL : (JP -> EE) / SN
BGO : SN
BTS : SN - 319
SJJ : JP / SN / FR
PRN : SN / FR
SKP : SN / FR
TIA : (TB) + SN / FR
GYD: SN (320) / J2 / FR / TB
TBS : SN (320) / A9 / FR
MIDDLE EAST :
DXB : EK : 773 switched to 380
MCT : WY : 788
NORTH AMERICA :
LAX/ SFO : DY : 788
EUROPE :
HEL : SN - 319
TLL : (JP -> EE) / SN
BGO : SN
BTS : SN - 319
SJJ : JP / SN / FR
PRN : SN / FR
SKP : SN / FR
TIA : (TB) + SN / FR
GYD: SN (320) / J2 / FR / TB
TBS : SN (320) / A9 / FR
MIDDLE EAST :
DXB : EK : 773 switched to 380
MCT : WY : 788
NORTH AMERICA :
LAX/ SFO : DY : 788
Cheers
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Actually I wouldn't be surprise that SN takes Nairobi back from Lufthansa, actually I already heard t a couple of time.
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Re: BRU in 2020
Arnaud Feist on Twitter 10 min. ago.
"Delighted to welcome a direct @HainanAirlines Brussels – Shanghai flight next year, giving growth opportunities to both Belgium & China"
"Delighted to welcome a direct @HainanAirlines Brussels – Shanghai flight next year, giving growth opportunities to both Belgium & China"
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Baku by J2, how I would love it!travellover wrote:GYD: J2
It is almost sure the route will be launched in 2017.travellover wrote:MCT : WY : 788
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Same with PVG by HU. Brussels Airport and Hainan signed a letter of intent in Beijing today to open the route in second half of 2017 (of course such a LoI has no official meaning whatsoever, airports and airlines don't have contracts with eachother on such things anyway, but it does indicate the willingness of Hainan to try again in 2017 after already wanting to launch the route this year).Airbus A330 wrote:It is almost sure the route will be launched in 2017.travellover wrote:MCT : WY : 788
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PVG-BRU confirmed by none less then mr. Feist himself.RoMax wrote:Same with PVG by HU. Brussels Airport and Hainan signed a letter of intent in Beijing today to open the route in second half of 2017 (of course such a LoI has no official meaning whatsoever, airports and airlines don't have contracts with eachother on such things anyway, but it does indicate the willingness of Hainan to try again in 2017 after already wanting to launch the route this year).Airbus A330 wrote:It is almost sure the route will be launched in 2017.travellover wrote:MCT : WY : 788
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/hainan- ... ect-route/
No details yet on equipment, schedule, start date...
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What's HolyNoobCake?sn26567 wrote:Welcome to Luchtzak, HolyNoobCake!
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A new member who posted his first message above.Jetter wrote:What's HolyNoobCake?sn26567 wrote:Welcome to Luchtzak, HolyNoobCake!
André
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Dear,HolyNoobCake wrote:Arnaud Feist on Twitter:
"Delighted to welcome a direct @HainanAirlines Brussels – Shanghai flight next year, giving growth opportunities to both Belgium & China"
This message was already announced a few days ago in an other topic when it was confirmed during the Trade mission in China during the weekend
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Re: BRU in 2020
In one of his recent speeches to all employees, Mr Bernard Gustin mentioned that the goal is to reach 45% market share in BRU in 2020. Maybe too ambitious, but exciting times ahead!
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^^ That seems like a weird goal to me. Why should SN's results be dependent on the competition? What scenario would Mr Gustin prefer, 20% growth for SN and 30% for BRU or 10% growth for SN and 5% for BRU? Such targets make it seems he prefers the latter which is a terrible mindset imo.
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I don't understand that logic. Of all medium and large-sized European airports with a significant homecarrier, SN is by far the 'weakest' at BRU in terms of marketshare. It is logical that they aim to increase that marketshare to get closer to at least 40% and now apparently SN is even more ambitious aiming for 45% (if correct that this is indeed their goal as a company and not just 'a statement').Jetter wrote:^^ That seems like a weird goal to me. Why should SN's results be dependent on the competition? What scenario would Mr Gustin prefer, 20% growth for SN and 30% for BRU or 10% growth for SN and 5% for BRU? Such targets make it seems he prefers the latter which is a terrible mindset imo.
SN grew by about 12.6% (in pax) in 2014 when BRU grew even faster (14.6%), last year SN grew even more in absolute numbers (slightly over 12% growth again), while overal growth at BRU slowed down to 7%. This year BRU overall has a dip in pax numbers for obvious reasons while SN is growing.
-> what do you think SN prefers? They rather grow at a slower 5-10% with BRU overall not growing at all or at least slower, compared to having a growth rate of 15% and BRU also growing by 15% Of course SN doesn't want their partners to stop growing if it complements their network. But we have to be realistic, most growth comes from LCC's establishing themselves on existing routes.
BRU might not be happy with Vueling folding back and easyJet stopping MXP and SXF, for SN it is great (although ofcourse FR is still there as well). If they can manage to keep FR a bit off in taking over completely, this effectively means SN can increase their market share.
If SN says they want to increase their market share, that is exactly what they mean. Holding off competition within Europe (growing themselves, while trying to keep the others away or at least growing at a slower pace), while increasing their dominance on the long haul market (except Africa, SN currently still is just a small long haul operator at BRU, United is even bigger on the BRU long haul market excl. Africa)