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sn26567 wrote:New business airline at Liège: Yellow, with one Pilatus PC-12 and plans to grow to three such planes.

https://www.aviation24.be/airports/liege-a ... e-airport/
8000 euro per day for liege-cannes with 8 people as an example
Other companies charge around 3500 per hour.
They expect to grow up to 3 a/c in the next 3 years.
Good luck to them.

http://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviatio ... 1453551610
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2015 aerial imagery of LGG, interesting view on the cargo north works.
http://goo.gl/iuzoXC

(and the rest of wallonia too, for those who like sunday hikes)
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They have freed up a lot of space in the north of the airport...
Good for 10 years of expansion
video : https://vimeo.com/156809450

http://www.landinliege.com/
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Cargo growth continue in 2016
http://www.aircargoweek.com/continous-e ... owing-247/

I guess qatar cargo has a major impact
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At the end of 2015, LGG was the 8th biggest airport in Europe and the 22th biggest in the world.
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Source: http://www.aircargonews.net/news/single ... sults.html
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The gap between LGG and LUX is smaller than I expected.

I notice that Memphis, the major Fedex hub, is missing on the world list.

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Indeed.
Another source show a complete different list : http://www.aci.aero/Data-Centre/Monthly ... /12-months
Shanghai, Memphis, anchorage and others were missing. Kinda make the first list useless actually.
LGG is probably between the 30th and the 40th position.

(notice the 46% growth of DOHA, and that is also wrong if we compare with other source https://www.ajot.com/premium/ajot-backe ... to-expansi )
conclusion : everything might be wrong. nice.
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Liege Airport became one of the European airport leaders in transiting AVI (All Live Animals).
Liege Airport is more and more the acknowledged hub for big consolidated departures and arrivals which are related to globally renowned equestrian events and tournaments. Other airlines too have discovered since a long time now the Liege Airport and its place of excellence for horses and all live animals; very regularly Qatar Airways Cargo, FedEx Charter Department, National Airlines and Lufthansa Cargo, are operating their full-horses flights into or out of Liege.
http://www.stattimes.com/index.php/ark-in-the-sky/
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Belgocontrol strikes again. Liège unavailable for arrivals 15.30-17.30 UTC, 17.30-19.30 local time - ATC staffing problem.

Source: Eurocontrol

It looks like we are living in an underdeveloped country!
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sn26567 wrote:Belgocontrol strikes again. Liège unavailable for arrivals 15.30-17.30 UTC, 17.30-19.30 local time - ATC staffing problem.

Source: Eurocontrol

It looks like we are living in an underdeveloped country!
Please stop this misinformation.
Have you seen "strike" in your Eurocontrol source (If so, I'll be the 1st one to apologize...) Do you have a link or something ?
It's not a strike, it's a zero rate due to understaffing.
So it's not only for the arrivals, for the departures as well, and for VFR etc... except SAR, hospital etc...
Please try to be complete and objective in your informations, and separate them from your own opinion.
And for your information, it's been happening almost every day this week..

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Very sad they can't ask the military to take over.
Callikg it a strike or a shortage of people due to sudden grouped sickness of all unhappy people is your communication war. All smart people really know what's happening for real.
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There is no strategy or higher purpose. These service interruptions are the result of fatigue and burn-out combined with lack of sufficient staff to fill the gaps. As predicted. All training for new procedures has been cancelled, but underrecruitment can't be solved in a few weeks or months. The work roster of June is not published in due time for Canac, to illustrate the problems.

Stop blaming atco's for these issues. Our employer would be happy to tell the world if there was any coordinated action, like they fooled you once. They did not, so go ask them why they did not recruit in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 (only managers where recruited, no atco's).

Words like strike and communication war create a hostile environment in our industry. It leads to tensions between pilots and ATC, even on live frequencies. I would recommend you to stop contributing to this and redirect your arrows.

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Acid-drop wrote:Very sad they can't ask the military to take over.
Callikg it a strike or a shortage of people due to sudden grouped sickness of all unhappy people is your communication war. All smart people really know what's happening for real.
When a service is understaffed, one does not need to strike to hinder normal operations. Just a work to rule action will do. Reminds me; I should be doing that as well...

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They should all be fired on the spot. fck 'em

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go ask them why they did not recruit in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014
Now that we all agree where the problem is from, its up to the atco's to work normally or not.
And I certainly hope the mess of this week is not gonna last 2 more years !
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Nevihta wrote:
sn26567 wrote:Belgocontrol strikes again. Liège unavailable for arrivals 15.30-17.30 UTC, 17.30-19.30 local time - ATC staffing problem.

Source: Eurocontrol

It looks like we are living in an underdeveloped country!
Please stop this misinformation.
Have you seen "strike" in your Eurocontrol source (If so, I'll be the 1st one to apologize...) Do you have a link or something ?
It's not a strike, it's a zero rate due to understaffing.
So it's not only for the arrivals, for the departures as well, and for VFR etc... except SAR, hospital etc...
Please try to be complete and objective in your informations, and separate them from your own opinion.
And for your information, it's been happening almost every day this week..
I never wrote ATCOs were on strike. When I write "Belgocontrol strikes again", strikes is a verb: look in your dictionary what that verb means. ;) Maybe I should have written "Belgocontrol hits again" to avoid all misunderstanding.
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Haha nice one.
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sn26567 wrote:
Nevihta wrote:
sn26567 wrote:Belgocontrol strikes again. Liège unavailable for arrivals 15.30-17.30 UTC, 17.30-19.30 local time - ATC staffing problem.

Source: Eurocontrol

It looks like we are living in an underdeveloped country!
Please stop this misinformation.
Have you seen "strike" in your Eurocontrol source (If so, I'll be the 1st one to apologize...) Do you have a link or something ?
It's not a strike, it's a zero rate due to understaffing.
So it's not only for the arrivals, for the departures as well, and for VFR etc... except SAR, hospital etc...
Please try to be complete and objective in your informations, and separate them from your own opinion.
And for your information, it's been happening almost every day this week..
I never wrote ATCOs were on strike. When I write "Belgocontrol strikes again", strikes is a verb: look in your dictionary what that verb means. ;) Maybe I should have written "Belgocontrol hits again" to avoid all misunderstanding.
So if you want to play the word, have you seen that I was defending ATCOs on strike ? ;)
To strike, in any of the definitions means a voluntary act.
One of the real problems is : in such a critical environment, how comes there is no standby service ?
Consequence being : as soon as someone is sick, there is no backup plan. In a company with 300 employees working shifts, without rest on a stressed environment, what's the probability to have someone sick, say at least one day out of 2 ?
During those latest years, staffing has been reduced to the very minimum (and the new agreement tends to reduce it even more), so 1 sick people immediately has a huge consequence.
Oh, and you might be surprised that those zero rates are arranged (essentially at night) to accommodate with TNT traffic to hit (or strike) them as less as possible.
You would also be surprised to, even if it was possible, there is not enough militaries to take over.
And last, but not least, during those 3 weeks, not a single proposal was made from the management, except contingency measures, I mean not even a long term solution...

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Nevihta wrote: Oh, and you might be surprised that those zero rates are arranged (essentially at night) to accommodate with TNT traffic to hit (or strike) them as less as possible.
You would also be surprised to, even if it was possible, there is not enough militaries to take over.
And last, but not least, during those 3 weeks, not a single proposal was made from the management, except contingency measures, I mean not even a long term solution...
So, TNT appears to be more important to Belgocontrol/EBGL than SN in EBBR... Political connections probably...

And, do you know what? I am not really surprized that your management proposed nothing :-( Shame on the viper nest of high level/political people in charge :-(

Good luck :-)

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(PPL crossing your CTR from/to EBSP from time to time)

PS: regarding military, they were in charge of EBLG for a long time until a couple of years ago, so, could they be re-trained?

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