Ryanair in 2016

[sn26567]

This being said, I fail to see how an airport tax will contribute to make the country greener. It is just like any tax a way to fill the vaults of the government! And in this case it is really counter-productive!

[Flanker2]

If you want my opinion, Ryanair is writing its own death sentence.
Their business model is shiting towards major airports, travel agencies and interlining with network carriers.

Sure, short-term Ryanair will book more profits.
But competitors adapt and so do consumers.
I see it going downhill from here except in Germany where it could first book a major success before going downhill. It won't be immediate, but it will happen for sure.

[Boeing767copilot]

If you want my opinion, Ryanair is writing its own death sentence.
Their business model is shiting towards major airports, travel agencies and interlining with network carriers.

Sure, short-term Ryanair will book more profits.
But competitors adapt and so do consumers.
I see it going downhill from here except in Germany where it could first book a major success before going downhill. It won't be immediate, but it will happen for sure.

Keep on dreaming

[Boeing767copilot]

ATA AGM: Aer Lingus CEO says competition is key to success

News : IATA AGM: Aer Lingus CEO says competition is key to success
June 1, 2016
During a media briefing on Irish aviation at IATA’s 72nd annual general meeting in Dublin, Aer Lingus CEO Stephen Kavanagh (pictured far left) declared that competition from the likes of Ryanair and Norwegian is what keeps his carrier relevant.

Instead of seeing Ireland’s geographical position as a disadvantage, which economist and moderator David McWilliams said it had perhaps been in the past, Kavanagh stated his belief that Ireland’s location is near-perfect in terms of serving transatlantic routes – beaten only by Iceland – and claimed their respective positions on the map may be why Aer Lingus and Reykjavik-based WOW air are the fastest-growing carriers in terms of transatlantic services.

Aside from geography, Kavanagh attributes Aer Lingus’s current success to three main points: managing cost base; maintaining low-entry prices; and providing a high standard of passenger experience. He sees these factors, driven by competition, as a reason why Ireland sells six airline tickets per head vs. three in the UK. “If Ryanair didn’t exist, we’d have to invent it,” Kavanagh remarked.

Regarding the argument concerning Norwegian Air International (NAI) going transatlantic, he remarked, “We were the first carrier to make use of the Open Skies with agreement with our Washington–Madrid service. I’m suspicious of the US’s motivations to block NAI but I’m confident as a business we’ll respond [to Norwegian’s entry into the US] and the market will be a better place as a result of competition.”

It became apparent that perhaps Kavanagh was so confident because of its new IAG membership last September when he admitted, “We’ve been struggling to keep up with level of opportunity.”

When questioned on whether an increase in Qatar’s stake in IAG might mean an east-ward expansion for Aer Lingus, Kavanagh confirmed the airline was already in talks about “flying into a Qatar hub, potentially on Qatar metal,” but that it was a medium-term goal so nothing is set to be announced this year.

Commenting on Aer Lingus’s low-fare, long-haul operations, Kavanagh explained, “To be successful in creating a gateway in Dublin, we need to have efficient short-haul services – otherwise we have a gateway pointed in one direction, always. This creates the opportunity for us to flow passengers through Dublin as long-haul traffic.”

Opportunity was another keyword for Kavanagh during the briefing, particularly in terms of the outcome of the referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union. He hinted that if London Heathrow became difficult for European passengers to pass through, Ireland would have the chance to route more customers through Dublin.

While Kavanagh iterated that Aer Lingus, as a member of IAG, hasn’t taken an official stance on the referendum, Ireland’s small home market means it’s in the country’s blood to constantly evaluate international opportunities as they arise.

Stephanie Taylor, assistant editor, Low-Fare & Regional Airlines / LARAnews.net
Dublin, Ireland

[Boeing767copilot]

http://www.iex.nl/Beleggingsidee/Trend- ... evend.aspx

By Google translate:


Price Fighters (LCC): efficient and profitable

Price Fighters like the Irish Ryanair and the British EasyJet has in recent decades undergone tremendous growth. But that growth will not stop. For investors seeking a nice, keep long-term growth trend, which is of course very interesting.

I light the perhaps most famous prize fighter out, the Irish Ryanair. That came recently with figures for the current financial year to end March 2015. And that was again sounding numbers. Sales rose 16% to 6.5 billion euros and profit by 42% to 1.2 billion euros.

Ryanair also slammed by the milestone of one hundred million passengers, amounting to 106 million tickets sold. For the current fiscal year expected to grow the airline again more passengers and direction 1.4 billion profit.

There will be some new destinations this year for Ryanair travelers and there will be 52 additional Boeings in the fleet.

Streamlined

The development of Ryanair is symptomatic of the discounters. Which for years has to operate very efficiently in contrast to the traditional carriers. Price Fighters do what the modern passenger, fly cheap, safe and punctual. They have their organizations are completely streamlined to respond to that desire.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) expects the entire international aviation market will more than double; approximately 3.4 billion passengers now to 7.3 billion in 2034. But according to aviation experts, the price of fighters which doubled the number of passengers will especially reap the benefits.

More profitable

In addition, the business model of discounters is the all time low oil prices have become more efficient and profitable. The discounters relish in this favorable oil prices, additional market share back from the traditional airlines as Air France-KLM.

Want to get a piece of the continued growth of low-cost airlines, then Trend Invest provides for this possibility. Trend Invest gives investors the opportunity to invest very simple and transparent in the price trend Fighters.

That you are also invested spread wide at once. For twelve international prize fighter included in this trend, as the British airlines Ryanair, easyJet, Norwegian Norwegian Air Shuttle and the American Southwest Airways.

[Passenger]

This being said, I fail to see how an airport tax will contribute to make the country greener. It is just like any tax a way to fill the vaults of the government! And in this case it is really counter-productive!

In brief: the tax was announced in November 2015, to be implemented as from 1st April 2016, later postponed to 1st June 2016 to give the airlines more time to implement it.

CH-aviation.com (31 Dec 2015): “…As part of its pro-Green policies, Norway's leftwing Liberal Party demanded the tax be incorporated into the 2016 budget as a means of dampening demand for air travel which is seen a primary pollutant…”

So yes André, some politicians in Norway really think that less people will fly when air tickets become 8 Euro p/p more expensive. And less people flying around indeed means less kerosine burned. Therefore, it's a green tax indeed (= for those who think that less people will fly...etc).

- - -

So far for the tax. Now, let’s see if Sean is right, about the timing of Ryanair's withdrawal. On 31st December 2015, CH-Aviation.com writes: "...However, airport officials told Norway's Hegnar newspaper that its primary customer Ryanair has warned of serious consequences if the Norwegian government enforces the tax even threatening to withdraw all four aircraft based at Oslo Rygge while slashing the number of routes served by half..."

CH-Aviation is a reliable source, me thinks. They confirm it's quite shocking what Ryanair did. Ryanair doesn’t care that tens of thousands passengers have to amend their travel plans. They only looked at their overall profit: they used (abused) this Norwegian tax to give a clear message to other airports where they are the leading carrier: don't dare to increase taxes, or we'll leave.

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/ ... flight-tax

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/norwegi ... s-in-2015/

http://www.ey.com/GL/en/Services/Tax/In ... xcise-Duty

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2016/03/17/ ... postponed/

[sean1982]

Ryanair listed as 9th biggest airline in the world by Forbes and preparing for a price war

http://m.independent.ie/business/world/ ... 79246.html

Happy to have been part of that, now on to the third biggest airline in the world

[epsilon]

From today, Ryanair customers have a choice of 3 types of fares:

Ryanair Regular:

The guaranteed lowest fares
Free 10kg cabin bag & smaller 2nd bag
Free randomly allocated seat

Leisure Plus:

Priority boarding
Allocated seat
20kg checked-in bag

Business Plus:

Security fast-track
Priority boarding
Premium allocated seat
+2/-2 day flexibility on ticket changes (as well as on the day of travel)
Dedicated Business Plus desk
Free airport check-in
These enhanced services are the latest improvements under Year 3 of Ryanair’s “Always Getting Better” programme, which includes new digital features, new cabin interiors, more new routes and even lower fares.

- See more at: http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/ ... wCdBM.dpuf

[sn26567]

From today, Ryanair customers have a choice of 3 types of fares:
etc.

Those of you who read the Luchtzak homepage were already aware of this news item:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryanair ... -offering/

[sn26567]

Consumers and UK government fed up with Ryanair ripping off airline passengers

In the U.K. not the price of a ticket, but additional airline charges often are higher than the base airfare. Ryanair charges £160 to change a passenger name on a booking, £45 to check in at the airport and £15 to print a boarding pass.

Last month, more than 5,000 disgruntled Ryanair passengers launched a landmark £400 million class action suit against the budget airline over alleged unfair hidden air ticket charges. The law suit was set up by online claims firm CaseHub.

Jim Shannon MP raised the issue in Parliament earlier this month following claims that airlines in Europe made almost £13bn last year through additional charges and the sale of extras including food and insurance.

Aviation minister Robert Goodwill last week told MPs that the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) “will start work on unfair contract terms with the airlines this summer … with the aim of ensuring the rights and obligations of the consumers and businesses are fair and balanced and consumers are not being penaliszd by unfair contract terms.”

Other airlines’ additional charges vary. To change the name on a booking, EasyJet charges up to £50; Flybe charges £40; Jet2 charges £35; and Monarch up to £120.

Source: eTN

[sean1982]

what's hidden about it. It's right there on the homepage? It's always convenient off course to call it hidden when all fees are perfectly avoidable if people would just read and use their brain

https://www.ryanair.com/ie/en/useful-in ... entre/fees

(the only reason for the high name change fare btw is to prevent travel bureaus snapping up cheap online prices under a fictive name, to then change it cheaply to a new name and sell it for double the price. That's why the grace period for people who genuinly made a mistake was also brought in)

[Ozzie1969]

what's hidden about it. It's right there on the homepage? It's always convenient off course to call it hidden when all fees are perfectly avoidable if people would just read and use their brain

https://www.ryanair.com/ie/en/useful-in ... entre/fees

(the only reason for the high name change fare btw is to prevent travel bureaus snapping up cheap online prices under a fictive name, to then change it cheaply to a new name and sell it for double the price. That's why the grace period for people who genuinly made a mistake was also brought in)

Then why don't they (Ryanair) make it a rule that name changes are never allowed?

[Passenger]

Selling airline tickets to consumers falls under Consumer Legislation. It’s not enough that three of the thirty seven links on the homepage will guide consumers to the list with surcharges/fees/penalties. Consumer legislation means that it must be clear to “the average consumer”. Belgian legislation, based upon European legislation, uses the terms “the gemiddelde consument / le consommateur moyen”.

Example: what is a name change for an average consumer? That is mr Janssens into mr Peeters. Not mr. Filip Janssens into mr. Philippe Janssens. Ryanair says people should not make mistakes. Right. As if they would do it on purpose? And if they indeed discover a mistake (and only when it was a small one), they have 24 hours to adjust it. If they discover Philippe/Filip three days after the booking: 160 €. That is not a fee. That is a penalty. And if they haven't discovered it themselves, the check-in staff will do because they earn commission on these surcharges (10%, isn't it?)

Same for the "Airport check-in fee" - was 70 €, now 45 €. The average tourist is used to arrive at the airport, go to the check-in desk, show his ticket (or e-ticket or resa) and gets his boarding pass. If a few hundred of passengers daily don’t know that Ryanair charges extra for the check-in, it means that the surcharge was unknown to them. Thus hidden.

See also today's article in The Telegraph about this investigation by the U.K. Aviation watchdog:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... -watchdog/

Volt, a consumer program on VRT tv, once did a test. At the entrance of the tv studio, visitors who had parked their car at the VRT parking were asked to sign a paper. "It's our standard waiver for accidents, and things like that", the porter told them. During the reception after the broadcast, Kobe Ilse asked a visitor to read what was written on top of the paper he had signed: "cars still on the parking 15 minutes after the end of the broadcast become property of the VRT".

[sean1982]

Example: what is a name change for an average consumer? That is mr Janssens into mr Peeters. Not mr. Filip Janssens into mr. Philippe Janssens. Ryanair says people should not make mistakes. Right. As if they would do it on purpose? And if they indeed discover a mistake (and only when it was a small one), they have 24 hours to adjust it. If they discover Philippe/Filip three days after the booking: 160 €. That is not a fee. That is a penalty. And if they haven't discovered it themselves, the check-in staff will do because they earn commission on these surcharges (10%, isn't it?)

Its actually 110EUR when not at the airport, the reason why is explained and no one makes comission on it. The only ones who make comission is cabin crew on onboard sales. so false

Same for the "Airport check-in fee" - was 70 €, now 45 €. The average tourist is used to arrive at the airport, go to the check-in desk, show his ticket (or e-ticket or resa) and gets his boarding pass. If a few hundred of passengers daily don’t know that Ryanair charges extra for the check-in, it means that the surcharge was unknown to them. Thus hidden.

Not hidden, the booking process asks you to check in straight away. if you don't you get 3 reminders to check in (and if you don't that there will be a penalty). You wouldnt know that off course, cause you never did it so false again

Volt, a consumer program on VRT tv, once did a test. At the entrance of the tv studio, visitors who had parked their car at the VRT parking were asked to sign a paper. "It's our standard waiver for accidents, and things like that", the porter told them. During the reception after the broadcast, Kobe Ilse asked a visitor to read what was written on top of the paper he had signed: "cars still on the parking 15 minutes after the end of the broadcast become property of the VRT".

Not that that has anything to do with Ryanair, but who signs a paper without reading it? I would definatly not and it's a sign of not using a brain

[convair]

Sean, there is a difference between "raisonneur" (argumentative) and "raisonnable" (reasonable).

Every day you read stories of people being ripped off by crooks who take advantage of the fact they have no brains or forget to use it.
Our society tends to be protective (you might think overprotective..) of these "weaker" people (my neighbour today, you or me tomorrow), and, to a certain degree, rightly so imho.

There is no doubt that Ryanair is charging much more than the real cost for all these little things the customers forget (what's the cost of printing a boarding pass?), so, yes Ryanair is taking advantage of their weakness or negligence and, hence, acting as a crook in these circumstances.

You may be right in saying that the pax is warned at the booking stage.
However, penalizing a customer because he/she is dumb or negligent is not exactly the right commercial attitude.
Hopefully you'll learn that at BA!

[Passenger]

Its actually 110EUR when not at the airport.

110 € when they discover it themselves before flight date and 160 € at the airport, when they were so stupid to think that they didn't make errors. But honestly: isn't even that 110 € far too much for a one-letter spelling error?

The only ones who make comission is cabin crew on onboard sales. so false

The false answer from Ryanair. They deny external staff gets commission on penalties, unless confronted with statements from those who get such commission:

"Staff get £1 per item of hand luggage judged too big or heavy for a flight, according to the GMB union which represents check-in staff at Stansted employed by the Swissport agency. The figure was confirmed by former Ryanair employees. Ground staff are also encouraged to sell priority boarding passes and are offered 25p for each ticket at Stansted. When questioned, Ryanair refused to give details of the payments, saying only that ‘no Ryanair staff receive commission’ as a result of identifying overweight baggage. But later it admitted that third-party workers who handle bags for Ryanair flights at a number of airports do receive a bonus. (The Daily Mail, UK, 2013).

Volt, a consumer program on VRT tv, once did a test. At the entrance of the tv studio, visitors who had parked their car at the VRT parking were asked to sign a paper. "It's our standard waiver for accidents, and things like that", the porter told them. During the reception after the broadcast, Kobe Ilse asked a visitor to read what was written on top of the paper he had signed: "cars still on the parking 15 minutes after the end of the broadcast become property of the VRT".

Not that that has anything to do with Ryanair, but who signs a paper without reading it? I would definatly not and it's a sign of not using a brain

The average consumer signs any routine paper when it's from a well known company. The average consumer has confidence that he can trust that VRT's parking conditions are as average as all others (we are not responsible for damage to your car, please collect your vehicle when your visit to us is over, ...)

Repeat: European Law states that general conditions in the European Union must be clear and understandable "to the average consumer". De gemiddelde consument. Le consommateur moyen. That's the law. Ryanair's fees, surcharges and penalties are abnormal compared to most other airlines, and they are only 100% understandable for frequent FR-flyers and aviation enthousiasts.

Let me tell you what bona fide airlines like Brussels Airlines and Brussels Airways do with spelling errors (I know because I've witnesses it quite a few times). The check-in staff calls the supervisor. The supervisor says "F from Filip iso P from Philippe? That's OK". The check-in staff continues whilst the passenger apologizes for his error. The passenger will book the same airline again next time.

With Ryanair, it's totally different: 160 € is more then the nett revenue this one client could bring in in two years. Therefore, it's financially better to cash in the 160 € and loose the client.

[sean1982]

Convair, this has nothing to do with me or BA. BA's and FR's business models are opposites of each other. Im just giving facts and my personal opinion is completely left out of it. I only said that signing something without reading it is dumb and I would never do that.

Passengers, false again. An article from 3 years ago is hardly representative specially cause the airline has radically changed in that time. But then again, you dont know that :p you comment on the taste of sprouts without having eaten them which is completely ridiculous.

Ad for SN being "bonafide" hahaha, I think I just peed a little. 238€ fuel charge on a JFK flight, 86€ on a LIS. You dont need to make mistakes there, they rip you off anyway its funny you keep hammering on the name change fee btw, cause beside that and the boarding card fee SN also had the same fees (overweight luggage, extra luggage, re-routing )

I dont know why Ryanair is being targeted anyway, all LCC's charge penalties and Ryanair is the only one who clearly publishes the fees

[Passenger]

And for SN being "bonafide" hahaha, I think I just peed a little. 238€ fuel charge on a JFK flight, 86€ on a LIS. You dont need to make mistakes there, they rip you off anyway its funny you keep hammering on the name change fee btw, cause beside that and the boarding card fee SN also had the same fees (overweight luggage, extra luggage, re-routing

Fuel surcharges are banned in European aviation. Actually, every non-avoidable surcharge must be included in the first screen-price the passengers see. So Brussels Airlines doesn't charge a 238 € fuel surcharge for JFK. Just like all other bona fide airlines, they have an all-in price: it's the first price the passenger sees on the website. Plus booking fee, when also announced at the first screen. But no fuel charge, no fuel surcharge, no fuel penalty, no fuel levy.

The fuel split up is just like Ryanair's 2 € surcharge for implementation of EU-Rule 261/2004. It's there and the ticket could become 2 € cheaper without it, but it's included in the adverted price and in the first price you see. So it's no surcharge.

I dont know why Ryanair is being targeted anyway, all LCC's charge penalties and Ryanair is the only one who clearly publishes the fees

Indeed, you still don't get it. What Ryanair says "clearly published" is OK for frequent FR-flyers and Luchtzak members, but not to '"the average consumer". Same applies for the nature of the Ryanair penalties: they are thus abnormal that "the average consumer" is unaware that they exist.

Selling tickets is not "it's on the website, they've clicked they've read it, so they must know it". Selling tickets falls under consumer legislation. Just ask the British Airways customer service what it all means; you will be surprised to hear how far Ryanair crosses the line.

[sean1982]

whether or not it is included in the first screen does not matter. People are being charged a charge in a time when fuel prices are at an all time low, so it's pure profit for the airline. This ticket could have been 242EUR cheaper quite different then 2EUR



Ryanair doesnt charge you 86EUR just for the privilege of sitting on the airplane And all the other usual charges on top of that off course (extra luggage, overweight, re-routing if not on a full flex ticket)



And I say again, this has nothing to do with BA or me, mr SN employee

[Passenger]

whether or not it is included in the first screen does not matter. People are being charged a charge in a time when fuel prices are at an all time low, so it's pure profit for the airline. This ticket could have been 242EUR cheaper.

Oh boy. You even don't know why they display this split. Long way to go sir.

...mr SN employee

Read my lips: I am not working for Brussels Airlines (never have).