Abnormalities in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2015

[Passenger]

SN3147 Brussels-Milan (OO-DWB) returned to Brussels this morning

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/fligh ... 7/#5e8d98e

[sn26567]

A new airline in CRL? Norwegian Air Shuttle flight DY5408 from Madrid to Stockholm is diverting to Charleroi. Reason unknown. http://www.rb24.com/DY5408



But finally it rather landed in BRU...

[airazurxtror]

Let's hope it's only the first of many NAS landings in Brussels. I mean, scheduled ones !

[sean1982]

Runway incursion between an SN AVRO and a EAT 757 in Leipzig

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4848c1e7&opt=0

[CTBke]

correction was at Warsaw Airport ... EAT was coming from Leipzig

[sn26567]

Good reaction from the SN crew. One ATCo should have heard his ears ring!

[Passenger]

Good reaction from the SN crew. One ATCo should have heard his ears ring!

Indeed André! If you look at the first report on the AvHerald.com - and not just the statement "Runway incursion between an SN AVRO and a EAT 757", one could conclude that both aircraft had clearance for take off (SN Avro) and for crossing the runway (EAT 757):

"...An EAT Boeing 757-200 performing freight flight QY-6296 from Leipzig to Warsaw had landed on Warsaw's runway 33 and was taxiing southbound on the taxiway parallel to runway 33 towards the apron.

A Brussels Airlines Avro RJ-100 performing flight SN-2560 from Warsaw to Brussels was accelerating for takeoff from runway 29 when the crew rejected takeoff "due to crossing traffic"..."

[galaxy]

one could conclude that both aircraft had clearance for take off (SN Avro) and for crossing the runway (EAT 757):

Even then the SN Avro has the priority because also in the aviation right traffic priority applies.

[KriVa]

That's not the way I read it.... As far as I can see, the EAT aircraft was taxiing back along the taxiway that runs parallel to RWY 33 (so approximate heading would have been 150). In that case, the right of way would've been for the EAT aircraft.

[galaxy]

That's not the way I read it.... As far as I can see, the EAT aircraft was taxiing back along the taxiway that runs parallel to RWY 33 (so approximate heading would have been 150). In that case, the right of way would've been for the EAT aircraft.

Indeed , my mistake.

[Homo Aeroportus]

..... In that case, the right of way would've been for the EAT aircraft.

Excuse me ?!?

An aircraft taxiing has priority over another taking off??

So not only you risk on a taxiway having wings clipped by a road runner but now you'd have to give way to an aircraft coming from the right while you are taking of?
I must have missed your tongue in cheek smiley for sure.

The incident was already clearly spelled out on the AIP released in July 2014.
See below.

As you said, the EAT was taxiing down Alpha 4 after landing on RWY 33, heading for the cargo apron on the South, near threshold 33.
Remains to be seen by the investigation if the stop bar was illuminated but the paint marks are clear with a RWY AHEAD sign.

Hats off to the SN crew to have identified the conflict and aborted the T.O.

H.A.

[KriVa]

Well, I certainly didn't choose my words clearly. Of course a taxing aircraft never had the right of way over an aircraft on a take-off roll.
I was merely commenting on the direction in which not aircraft were travelling, without taking their relevant status into account. So no tongue in cheek required, just a slightly out of context discussion.

[jan_olieslagers]

But is there any notion of "right of way" ? In controlled airspace, the controller decides it all, I should think?
There is "captain's discretion" to overrule tower instructions, sure enough, but that will have to be based on safety above all - and will have to be explained, probably before a court of justice.

IMHO "right of way" only exists in uncontrolled airspace, or perhaps in the case of lack of instructions (controller incapacitation?). Glider has right of way over motorized planes, landing traffic goes before take-off, that kind of stuff.

[epsilon]

But is there any notion of "right of way" ? In controlled airspace, the controller decides it all, I should think?
There is "captain's discretion" to overrule tower instructions, sure enough, but that will have to be based on safety above all - and will have to be explained, probably before a court of justice.

IMHO "right of way" only exists in uncontrolled airspace, or perhaps in the case of lack of instructions (controller incapacitation?). Glider has right of way over motorized planes, landing traffic goes before take-off, that kind of stuff.

A recent incident on the apron in STN highlighted that even when taxiing under control, right of way rules always apply. In that particular incident aircraft A was cleared to taxi to its stand after landing while aircraft B was cleared to push in direct conflict with the other aircrafts routing unrecognized by the ground controller. As the rules of the air state that: ‘‘Vehicles and flying machines which are not taking off or landing shall give way to vehicles towing aircraft." Aircraft A has to give way to the pushback even on its cleared ATC routing. No discretion given

[Atco EBBR]

Right of way does exists as well in a controlled environment, if no instruction has been given.

Best not to rely on that as a controller though...

[Passenger]

Today's SN2063 Brussels-Edinburgh (OO-DWL) has returned to BRU soon after take off.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sn2063/

[Passenger]

Today's SN2063 Brussels-Edinburgh (OO-DWL) has returned to BRU soon after take off.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sn2063/

Engine failure:

"...A Brussels Airlines Avro RJ-100 performing flight SN-2063 from Brussels to Edinburgh... stopped the climb at 7000 feet declaring PAN and reporting an engine failure... A replacement RJ-100 reached Edinburgh with a delay of 105 minutes..."

Full report:
http://avherald.com/h?article=484e9e8f&opt=0

[Established02]

Does BRU still have arrival procedures for RWY07R?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 401&type=1

[sdbelgium]

There's a VOR approach on 07R, that's it for instrument procedures. It's actually a lot 'easier' to use, since it's not 15 degrees offset like the one on 07L.

[sn26567]

It seems that yesterday the landings were on 07L and takeoffs on both 07L and 07R. But I have not seen any landing on 07R.