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airazurxtror wrote:I am sorry I asked a question whose answer is readily available in
http://investor.ryanair.com/wp-content/ ... tation.pdf

Average fares :
Ryanair* €47
Wizz* €60
Norwegian €81
easyJet €84
Air Berlin €120
Lufthansa €230
IAG €231
Air France / KLM €253
Avg Competitor Fare €151
Source: Latest Annual Reports, *RYR & WIZ ave fare includes 1st checked bag

Also of interest in the same report :

Competitors Cut Capacity on RYR routes
easyJet ─ Close: FCO base, CGN-LGW, MAD-SXF, RAK-STN ─ Cut freq: DTM-LTN, MXP-RAK, LGW-SCQ, LGW-TLL
Alitalia ─ Close: FCO-KRK, LIN-WAW ─ Cut freq: FCO-OTP, FCO-BUD, LIN-CAG, LIN-AHO
Aer Lingus ─ Close: DUB-CPH ─ Cut freq: DUB-AMS, DUB-BLQ, DUB-MXP
Norwegian ─ Close: LGW-WAW, LGW-TRF, CGN-ALC, CGN-LPA, HAM-MAD
Vueling ─ Close: FCO-RAK, FCO-BRI, FCO-BDS, BRU-VCE
Brussels A ─ Cut freq: BRU-BLQ, BRU-FCO, BRU-RIX, BRU-WAW
Iberia ─ Cut freq: MAD-BRU, MAD-DUB
SAS ─ Cut freq: GOT-STN
That Ryanair is economically a good airlines I totally agree they have some great performance but saying that there average is less than 50 euro with luggage, allow me to have some doubt about it. Would be nice to have those kind of statistic from a neutral agency. And this is normal that Lufthansa, IAG, Air Berlin and Air France KLM have an higher average as some tickets sold are as well long haul or business. So you don't have the answer to your question as the average of brussels airlines in Check n go is not on this document.

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crew1990 wrote:
airazurxtror wrote:I am sorry I asked a question whose answer is readily available in
http://investor.ryanair.com/wp-content/ ... tation.pdf

Average fares :
Ryanair* €47
Wizz* €60
Norwegian €81
easyJet €84
Air Berlin €120
Lufthansa €230
IAG €231
Air France / KLM €253
Avg Competitor Fare €151
Source: Latest Annual Reports, *RYR & WIZ ave fare includes 1st checked bag
This document being created by ryanair I'm sure this is 100 pourcent reliable, for sure... That Ryanair is economically a good airlines I totally agree they have some great performance but saying that there average is less than 50 euro with luggage, allow me to have some doubt about it. Would be nice to have those kind of statistic from a neutral agency.
It's not wrong, but it's simply annual operating revenue devided by number of passengers at first glance: this means that airlines with longer flights are thus showing up as more expensive as ryanair.
Given the nature of some of the airlines in the list, it means they are even comparing the cost of European tickets against also those to the other end of the world. :roll:

Wizzair and easyjet's numbers probably are the only meaningful ones and not surprisingly they show awfully close. Sure Ryanair is cheaper, (they better be, it's their key differentiator, remember), but the gap is small in absolute figures and definitely not of the nature to matter greatly.
it's not like Wizzair or Easyjet are unable to fill their planes, are they?

Interestingly enough, the given average ticket cost of 47 euro over last year can actually be reviewed upwards very significantly for next year as per their own most recent regulatory statement!
Indeed, in H1 is stood at over 52 euro like they've just reported and they expect average fares to drop by (just) 4% this winter, so we can estimate it to be 'at worst' at 50 euro over H2: that means a new average ticket cost of roughly 51 euro over current fiscal year is planned: a price increase of well over 8%!
As said: they are perfectly right to be doing so if they can as it greatly benefits their bottom line of course, but they risk overtaking direct competitors on pricing if they continue doing so, very quickly.

On one hand, it doesn't matter, because as Easyjet shows you can exist at higher average fares very well too, but of course on the other hand, it does turn them into just another mediocre company then: on one hand that's exactly what they want to, in order to reach out to new customer segments; on the other, it's exactly what they have to try to avoid, in order to keep their traditional segments happy.
To make it less theoretical, one could say that turning into an Easyjet clone is the easy thing; keeping Wizzair from udercutting you on price meanwhile much harder. It's why they can't durably do this acrobatic split without having 2 different brands if they want to perfect it. I always come back to the same conclusion, because it's ever so obviously painted, the more figures one throws into the discussion.

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The comparison between Ryanair and Wizz Air is meaningless, as they are not on the same markets : Wizz Air is primarily eastern Europe, Ryanair western Europe. On the few routes where they are in competition, they have more or less the same fares.
EasyJet fares are, on the whole, higher than Ryanair's. Which explains that easyJet is slowly losing ground to Ryanair (see what happened at Brussels and at Fiumicino). And Vueling will follow suit.
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airazurxtror wrote:... which explains that easyJet is slowly losing ground to Ryanair (see what happened at Brussels)
Up to last week, there was ZERO overlap between U2 and FR at BRU...
Between U2 and SN however, the overlap has been huge for years and indeed, they are slowly being shown the door here: not by FR like you say, but very much by SN's new commercial approach, go figure!
BTW, U2 isn't the only one which has lost its insatiable appetite for BRU because of it. ;)

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tolipanebas wrote: not by FR like you say, but very much by SN's new commercial approach, go figure!
BTW, U2 isn't the only one which has lost its insatiable appetite for BRU because of it. ;)
Ryanair has some 250 aircraft on order, and 100 more on option (not just a dozen of second-hand aircraft).
We'll see how many of them will be based at Brussels, and what happens.
And if the so-called "new commercial approach" of SN will be enough to prevent Ryanair from becoming the N°1 airline in Belgium.
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Is this kind of continuous aggressivity needed ?
Most of the 300 aircrafts are replacement aircrafts for the oldest one's

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Airbus330lover wrote:Is this kind of continuous aggressivity needed ?
Most of the 300 aircrafts are replacement aircrafts for the oldest one's
No they arent ... About 100 are for replacement. 200 are for growth. A bit more than a handfull ;)
tolipanebas wrote: BTW, U2 isn't the only one which has lost its insatiable appetite for BRU because of it. ;)
Who else then?

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Yawn.... not again...

Please keep it cool people!!!

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airazurxtror wrote:The comparison between Ryanair and Wizz Air is meaningless, as they are not on the same markets : Wizz Air is primarily eastern Europe, Ryanair western Europe.
Now you greatly surprise me, I must say.
Only a couple of posts ago, you asked for such a comparison yourself.
And then you even provided us yourself with data a couple of posts later (thank you for that, btw).
I agree the figures provided were indeed fairly meaningless for most comparisons as they include the price of intercontinental tickets for airlines which undertake such flights too, but not all comparisons are totally meaningless: in fact, the one with wizzair probably is one of the more meaningful of the list, even.
airazurxtror wrote:On the few routes where they are in competition, they have more or less the same fares.
I trust your gut feeling as a low price specialists on this and it definitely does fit the reality of an eve more expensive ryanair, vs a price stready wizzair to have no more average pricing gap even these days.
As pointed out already, this year, average price escalation at ryanair seems to head towards the high single digit percentage points even, including a so called price war which really is not to be called that way in the face of halved fuel costs: it's the logical result of a company which is investing in improving its product to attract new clients in new markets and needs to offset additional costs because of it.
I let you do the guessing on what the remaining pricing gap will do vs a company which is still solely focussed on the cost aspect, over time?
Ryanair should have stayed just ryanair, the unique ultra low cost carrier without direct competitor; the assault on what I call premium low cost carriers Easyjet and vueling should have been done through a newly created entity, so as to keep the 2 products distinct as well as wizzair locked into irrelevance somewhere in between.
The opposite strategy has been adopted because of urgency, and look at wizzair's sudden growth!
What ryanair are doing now is lucrative in the short term as it gives quick access to new and higher yielding passengers, but it will haunt them down and bite them back in the long run as I can't imagine all of their traditional passengers -like you- to be overly happy to suddenly be paying tens of euro extra for their trips?
I remember you are completely date and destination neutral when it comes to your enthusiast trips, aren't you? In that case, it must really be a pitty ryanair have raised average ticket prices to well over 100 euro return these days, as it means that even the best of the best of their deals sets you back tens of euro more than they did 2 years ago, when oil was much more expensive!

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Ryanair has fired the second salvo of its winter fare offensive, offering one million seats for sale on over 400 routes.
The €15 seats are available to book on the airline's website until midnight on Thursday, November 5.
The sale travel period is from November to March 2016.
It comes less than a week after Ryanair released 500,000 seats for sale from €9.99 to mark the launch of its updated website.
That sale coincided with a series of technical issues (or "minor teething problems", as a spokesperson described them) that saw Ryanair apologise as many customers were left frustrated by unsuccessful attempts to book online.

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/ryanair ... ve-quickly
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Ryanair today (4 Nov) released traffic statistics for October as follows:
• Traffic grew 15% to 9.68m customers.
• Load factor rose 5% points to 94%.
• Rolling annual traffic to Oct grew 17% to 98.6m customers.
- See more at: http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/ ... 7yXzX.dpuf
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airazurxtror wrote:Ryanair today (4 Nov) released traffic statistics for October as follows:
• Traffic grew 15% to 9.68m customers.
• Load factor rose 5% points to 94%.
• Rolling annual traffic to Oct grew 17% to 98.6m customers.
- See more at: http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/ ... 7yXzX.dpuf
Very impressive, if you ask me!!!

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Ryanair’s share price has more than doubled since January 2014 when it began a concerted effort to improve customer service by giving passengers the ability to choose seats and building a new, more user-friendly website.

O’Leary, 54, has a 3.8 percent stake in Ryanair, which closed at a record high of 14.66 euros ($15.93) on Wednesday, rising 5 percent since the beginning of the week. His $1.3 billion fortune has risen 26 percent in 2015, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.
“Every time you’re flying Ryanair, you’re adding to my share price, you’re adding to my profitability,” the billionaire said at a lunch hosted by the Institute of Directors in Dublin in September. “I need to keep being wealthy. Because if I’m to support one of Ireland’s biggest loss-making cattle breeding operations, and Ireland’s biggest loss-making national stud horse operation, I need everyone in this room to fly Ryanair.”

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Flying from Prestwick to Malaga this evening i couldn't believe my eyes when I saw some lazy disgusting idiot opposite me throwing his rubbish onto the aisle. For goodness sake the cabin crew come round several times during the flight for passengers to put their rubbish in a large bin bag. I've worked with the public all my life and some of them can be bloody morons.

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On FR as on any airline. Some people really behave like pigs. Fortunately a small minority....

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Boeing and Ryanair celebrated the Irish low-cost carrier's 375th direct delivery of a Next-Generation 737-800 today. Ryanair is the largest Next Generation 737-800 customer in the world having ordered more than 530 of the airplane type.

"As Europe's largest airline, the reliability and customer appeal of the Boeing 737-800 aircraft has been the cornerstone of our successful growth over the last 16 years and we are proud to take delivery of our 375th Boeing 737-800 aircraft today," said Mick Hickey, Ryanair's Chief Operations Officer. "Our current and future Boeing orders will allow us to grow our fleet to over 540 all-Boeing aircraft, which will see our traffic double from 91 million annual customers last year to 180 million per annum by 2024."

Ryanair is also the launch customer of the 737 MAX 200, the newest member of the 737 MAX family, ordering 100 airplanes in 2014. A variant based on the successful 737 MAX 8, the 737 MAX 200 can accommodate up to 200 seats.

EI-FIZ Boeing 737-8AS/W c/n 44709 Ryanair Delivered Boeing Field-Dublin 10/11/15.
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EI-FOA Boeing B738 8AS-W 44708/5665 delivered 21 Nov 15.
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Airportchef Dr. Ludger Dohm: „Ryanair" hat erstmals Slots für Düsseldorf angemeldet.“

http://www.express.de/duesseldorf/slots ... 60518.html
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United Kingdom :

Ryanair has become the first airline to sign up to the Ombudsman Services' airline complaints arbitration scheme.

Passengers who have issues concerning flight delay, cancellation, lost baggage or denied boarding will be able to make complaints to the new body, free of charge. Importantly, the Ombudsman's decisions are legally-binding, so they can force airlines to pay out.

The airline scheme is expected to launch next spring, so you can't make use of it for a while. The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) reckons that further ombudsman-style services will also launch next year, though it's worth remembering that airlines aren't required to sign up for them.

https://www.lovemoney.com/news/49819/ry ... -ombudsman
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airazurxtror wrote:United Kingdom :

Passengers who have issues concerning flight delay, cancellation, lost baggage or denied boarding will be able to make complaints to the new body, free of charge. Importantly, the Ombudsman's decisions are legally-binding, so they can force airlines to pay out.
Good for the UK clients, but what about the other ones?
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