Farnborough Airshow - 14-20 July 2014

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Re: Farnborough Airshow - 14-20 July 2014

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This must have been one of Airbus and Boeing's worst shows in a long time.
Neither had any huge orders, and the total volume is much lower than previous years.

A couple hundred NEO's and a handful of Max. It's sad when the highlight of the show is a 50 x A330 NEO order.
Airbus has sold only 5% worth of yearly projected XWB production and no A380's.
Boeing has not secured new orders for the B777-x.

With the Ruskies rejected from participation, Farnborough has sunk to a low.

No F-35, no Cseries. It must have been a really boring show for the participants.

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Flanker2 wrote: With the Ruskies rejected from participation, Farnborough has sunk to a low.
In the past,at some airshows, the Ruskies have made the show,but not always at the right way :roll:

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Flanker2 wrote:This must have been one of Airbus and Boeing's worst shows in a long time.
Neither had any huge orders, and the total volume is much lower than previous years.
This confirms the fear that massive overcapacity is looming around the corner. Good new news for the cheap ticket hunters, but tough times ahead for the weakest links amongst the airlines!

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First African Operator and Existing Commercial Aircraft Customer Signs Letter of Intent for Five Bombardier CSeries Airliners

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/first- ... 6-71732620

2 hints:

The airline operates both CRJ and Q400 (Arik Air, SA Express and RwandAir)

The airline faces challenging operational environments and needs excellent range for hot-and-high performance as they expand into new and growing markets", (SA Express: Johannesburg : 1 600m or RwandAir: Kigali : 1 490m)

It seems that RwandAir has canceled its option for two more CRJ-900NGs (infos was removed from Bombardier website). I bet if the airline orders C Series, they will probably replace two B737-700 ex Air Berlin leased from ILFC. I think they will be an order for two or three aircraft, with others in option. It's quite a big order for the airline, we don't forget that they will be also an order two B787s which will be delivered in 2017.
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Flanker2 wrote:This must have been one of Airbus and Boeing's worst shows in a long time.
Neither had any huge orders, and the total volume is much lower than previous years.
A bad year for Boeing and Airbus? Their order books are chock-full for many years ahead. Airbus is slowly closing the gap with Boeing on the lucrative long-haul business. And it's time now to rest a little bit after years when orders by far exceeded production.

And then this official figure: By close Wednesday, FIA14 had seen orders and commitments for 800+ aircraft worth about $113bn and commitments for 1,300+ engines, worth about $26bn.

With regard to Belgium and the A330neo, Techspace Aero will produce 15% of the GE9X engine: the low pressure compressor. The launch of the A330neo in itself was the major news of FIA14. And Airbus will make a decision on the A380neo in 2015.
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sn26567 wrote:A bad year for Boeing and Airbus? Their order books are chock-full for many years ahead.
Airbus sold about 350 planes at the airshow. You need to be slightly out of touch with reality to call that a bad performance...

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teach wrote:
sn26567 wrote:A bad year for Boeing and Airbus? Their order books are chock-full for many years ahead.
Airbus sold about 350 planes at the airshow. You need to be slightly out of touch with reality to call that a bad performance...
I was quoting Flanker2...
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It's a bad performance.
Airbus gets a huge chunk of their orders at the annual trade shows but this year, they aren't selling their widebodies as they should and the NEO should be doing better than it did.
The markets have punished Airbus today, despite most stock indexes closing higher.

Also this:
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http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/geta ... emid=56614

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http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/geta ... emid=56606

This is not even enough to keep the A320/B737 lines going, while it includes all the MOU, LOI and options that may never materialise, and all the other manufacturers as well.

When you're running the A320/B737 lines at the pace that Airbus and Boeing are currently and in the future, they need to keep raking up new sales to keep them going.

Also, as we see here, the bulk of the orders is made by lessors, who have yet to place their aircraft, thus reducing the demand that airlines will place directly to the manufacturers in the future.

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Flanker2 wrote:It's a bad performance.
Airbus gets a huge chunk of their orders at the annual trade shows but this year, they aren't selling their widebodies as they should and the NEO should be doing better than it did.
The markets have punished Airbus today, despite most stock indexes closing higher.

Also this:
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http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/geta ... emid=56614

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http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/geta ... emid=56606

This is not even enough to keep the A320/B737 lines going, while it includes all the MOU, LOI and options that may never materialise, and all the other manufacturers as well.

When you're running the A320/B737 lines at the pace that Airbus and Boeing are currently and in the future, they need to keep raking up new sales to keep them going.

Also, as we see here, the bulk of the orders is made by lessors, who have yet to place their aircraft, thus reducing the demand that airlines will place directly to the manufacturers in the future.
Please tell me that post is a joke...

The neo isn't doing as well as it should????? It's the fastest selling new airplane. Ever. They sold about 250 of 'em in TWO DAYS. Sales not even enough to keep the A320/737 lines running? What on earth are you talking about? Airbus sold SIX MONTHS worth of A320 production at the show, and have a backlog that is the equivalent of NINE YEARS of full scale production. No airplane has ever had a backlog as absolutely massive as that. So far this year, they've already sold out 13 months of production in six and a half months time. Boeing has already sold 14 months of 737 production so far this year, and now have eight years of backlog on the 737, which is unprecedented for the type!

The biggest problem Airbus and Boeing have on the A320 and 737 is that they can't build 'em quick enough to keep up with orders!

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Airbus and Boeing never had such massive backlogs (both in quantity as in years of production taking into account their planned production rates) as they have now. A bit weird to say they are performing below expectations.
I don't know about Airbus, but Boeing has (up to July 16) 783 new firm net orders in the books for 2014 (550 B737's, 219 777's, 1 747 and 13 787's). The 787 could perform better (but orders come in slow because the backlog ranges beyond 2020, when you need a large quantity, there are simply not enough early production slots anymore, same story with the A350 btw), but for the rest you can hardly say they are having a bad year (except for the 747, but that's a known story).
The 737MAX has beyond the 2000 firm orders, the A320neo already beyond the 3000 mark. That's many years of (high rate) production before even 1 of these aircraft has ever flown.

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Flanker2 wrote:This must have been one of Airbus and Boeing's worst shows in a long time.
!!! ???
oh realy

"Airbus gets commitments for 496 aircraft in best-ever Farnborough performance
Airbus president and CEO Fabrice Brégier said the European manufacturer had one its..."

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Re: Farnborough Airshow - 14-20 July 2014

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No F-35, no Cseries. It must have been a really boring show for the participants.
Not that boring I'd say!

Bombardier Wraps Up a Successful Week at the 2014 Farnborough International Airshow
- Announced a total of 74 orders and commitments valued at more than $4.25 billion
- Celebrated milestones for surpassing 500 firm orders for Q400 aircraft and 500 firm orders and commitments for CSeries aircraft
- Four new CSeries aircraft customers announced during the show, customer list grows to 20

https://www.aviation24.be/forums/viewtopic ... 11#p302611
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