Jetairfly in 2014

[Kapitein]

Again a "new" bird for JAF OO-JFD 737-800 ex A6-FDC from FlyDubai.
Will perform testflights 07/05

[teddybAIR]

A6-FDC rolled out of the Boeing factory on june 14th, 2009 and first delivered to flydubai on july 10th, 2009. Will it replace an existing B738 of jetairfly or is it for expansion?

[Airbus A330]

A6-FDC is a summer lease.

[teddybAIR]

ok, so extra seasonal capacity. Any idea where it will be based? I read that JAF is expanding impressively in France this year

[Sai]

A B737-800 and a B737-700 joined the fleet recently (OO-JOS and OO-JFD) and OO-JBV left the fleet...is that correct?
So they have a fleet of 24 aircraft this summer? Is that correct?

[Boavida]

According to wikipedia (in dutch), JAF now has 24 aircraft + 19 orders (18 B737 MAX + 1 B787)). That would make a total of 43 aircraft! That is as much as SN!

Did I miss something? What's the reason behind this massive expansion (for a Belgian airline)?

[sn26567]

There is no reason to believe in such a large expansion. The 737 MAX will most probably replace older aircraft. And the 787 is an order of the TUI Group that might be allocated to JAF, but this is not written in stone yet.

[RoMax]

And the 787 is an order of the TUI Group that might be allocated to JAF, but this is not written in stone yet.

Indeed, but I believe that's more a matter of when and not if. But of course the question is, is the replacement for OO-JAP (or maybe even expansion?) already on order by TUI or not... TUI will have a 'concept' of where its currently ordered aircraft will go to, but that might always change when closer to delivery if the needs of the group change.

[tangolima]

Hello

Acc to my info JAF has 20 a/c in the fleet:

5xB737-700
11xB737-800
1x B767-300
1x B787-800
2x EMB190

Greetings,

[RoMax]

Hello

Acc to my info JAF has 20 a/c in the fleet:

5xB737-700
11xB737-800
1x B767-300
1x B787-800
2x EMB190

Greetings,

In that number you miss some -800's. This is how airfleets show the fleet of JAF, but they always remove the aircraft which are leased to e.g. Canjet and Sunwing during the winter. For example OO-JAA, OO-JAU, OO-JBG which are still part of the JAF fleet and will return (or very recently returned) to JAF are not included in those 11 -800's.

[sn26567]

Jetairfly itself has a webpage dedicated to its fleet: https://www.jetairfly.com/en/legal/our-fleet

There you will read that in 2014 the fleet consists of 22 aircraft:

14 B737-800s

OO-JAA “VICTORY”
OO-JAD “MAGNIFICENT”
OO-JAF “SMILE”
OO-JAH “PERSPECTIVE”
OO-JAQ “VISION”
OO-JAU “EXCELLENCE”
OO-JAV “HAPPINESS”
OO-JAX “BRIGHTNESS”
OO-JAY “ELEGANCE”
OO-VAC “RISING SUN”
OO-JBG “GERARD BRACKX“
OO-JLO “GRACE“
OO-JPT “SKY“
OO-JEF 'AFFECTION'

4 B737-700s

OO-JAN “REVELATION”
OO-JAO “PLAYING TO WIN”
OO-JAR “ENJOY”
OO-JAS “EMOTION”

2 E190s

OO-JEB “NAVIGATOR”
OO-JEM “EXPLORER”

1 B767-300ER

OO-JAP “CRYSTAL”

1 B787-8

OO-JDL "Diamond" - “Panamarenko”

[JAF737]

Jetairfly itself has a webpage dedicated to its fleet: https://www.jetairfly.com/en/legal/our-fleet

There you will read that in 2014 the fleet consists of 22 aircraft:

14 B737-800s

OO-JAA “VICTORY”
OO-JAD “MAGNIFICENT”
OO-JAF “SMILE”
OO-JAH “PERSPECTIVE”
OO-JAQ “VISION”
OO-JAU “EXCELLENCE”
OO-JAV “HAPPINESS”
OO-JAX “BRIGHTNESS”
OO-JAY “ELEGANCE”
OO-VAC “RISING SUN”
OO-JBG “GERARD BRACKX“
OO-JLO “GRACE“
OO-JPT “SKY“
OO-JEF 'AFFECTION'

4 B737-700s

OO-JAN “REVELATION”
OO-JAO “PLAYING TO WIN”
OO-JAR “ENJOY”
OO-JAS “EMOTION”

2 E190s

OO-JEB “NAVIGATOR”
OO-JEM “EXPLORER”

1 B767-300ER

OO-JAP “CRYSTAL”

1 B787-8

OO-JDL "Diamond" - “Panamarenko”

Yes, and as things change all the time in aviation...

1 extra B737-800 OO-JFD on lease from FlyDubai
And 1 full time B737-700 OO-JOS

22+2 = 24 for summer 2014.

[Sai]

So, 24 aircraft this summer, thanks!

But 5 different types in 24 aircraft means you need lots of extra crew with licenses and type-ratings for different aircraft I can imagine, no? Wouldn't it be more 'economical' to have an all Boeing fleet (commonality in training, less different licenses, so less crew needed as you can use them on more types).
Even if the 767 is replaced there are still 4 different types, and there is still the E-jet (instead of e.g. B737-600NG)
So would it be the right conclusion to say that the performance of the E-jet is superior (instead of B 737-600) and weighs in to the cost of extra crew, training, etc?

[RoMax]

So, 24 aircraft this summer, thanks!

But 5 different types in 24 aircraft means you need lots of extra crew with licenses and type-ratings for different aircraft I can imagine, no? Wouldn't it be more 'economical' to have an all Boeing fleet (commonality in training, less different licenses, so less crew needed as you can use them on more types).
Even if the 767 is replaced there are still 4 different types, and there is still the E-jet (instead of e.g. B737-600NG)
So would it be the right conclusion to say that the performance of the E-jet is superior (instead of B 737-600) and weighs in to the cost of extra crew, training, etc?

You can hardly call the -700 and the -800, who together make up for the large majority of the fleet, different types.
The E190 was introduced as a new small subfleet simply because JAF can make it work. They have so many routes that make it worth to have a higher frequency or non-stop flights instead of tag-on or triangle flights with larger 737's. Yes there come extra costs with it, but because of JAF's diverse network they can certainly justify these costs. The -600 would have some things in common with the other 737's, but commonality is not everything...the costs of some -600's would still be much higher. Just like the A318 there is a reason why the -600 is not selling.

The 767 is not ment to stay on the longer term and as a small airline like JAF you will always have a small subfleet when talking about the widebodies.

Of course it would be ideal when JAF could operate with a fleet of 20-25 737-800's and 5-10 787's, but you also need the network to make that work. Take away the diversity of JAF and you get a bad LCC attempt with the only advantage of having touroperators within the group.

[LJ]

The 767 is not ment to stay on the longer term and as a small airline like JAF you will always have a small subfleet when talking about the widebodies.

Shouldn't we see this from a TUI perspective as well? Apart from the crew there the other costs can be reduced by cooperation with other TUI airlines.

[sn26567]

I think that some people write anything in Wikipedia based on vague rumours rather that facts. According to a modification introduced today in the English version, Jetairfly would:

1. transfer its 767-300ER (OO-JAP) to Arkefly
2. order three more Embraer E190s
3. order four more 787-8s

I reverted the text to its previous more reliable version.

[KriVa]

A lot of pilots and cabin crew at JAF are rated on more than one type of aircraft.
This makes it a lot easier and cheaper to have the different (sub-)types there are.
And frankly, the benefits of having a B736 wouldn't even come close to the downsides.
It's a very, very heavy shrink from a larger plane, relative to the E190. Fuel burn is a lot higher, and as far as I know, so are the maintenance costs. So no, a B736 does not make sense, the E190 does.

[Malaysia]

A lot of pilots and cabin crew at JAF are rated on more than one type of aircraft.
This makes it a lot easier and cheaper to have the different (sub-)types there are.
And frankly, the benefits of having a B736 wouldn't even come close to the downsides.
It's a very, very heavy shrink from a larger plane, relative to the E190. Fuel burn is a lot higher, and as far as I know, so are the maintenance costs. So no, a B736 does not make sense, the E190 does.

Pilots are only rated on one aircraft with the exception of some Captains which are higher up the ladder..

[JAF737]

A lot of pilots and cabin crew at JAF are rated on more than one type of aircraft.
This makes it a lot easier and cheaper to have the different (sub-)types there are.
And frankly, the benefits of having a B736 wouldn't even come close to the downsides.
It's a very, very heavy shrink from a larger plane, relative to the E190. Fuel burn is a lot higher, and as far as I know, so are the maintenance costs. So no, a B736 does not make sense, the E190 does.

Pilots are only rated on one aircraft with the exception of some Captains which are higher up the ladder..

Please don't share bull***t information when you have no clue of what you are talking about.

In Belgium, mixed-fleet flying is allowed (up to two different types). At Jetairfly, many pilots (captains and first officers, no difference) fly 737-767, 767-787, 737-787, E190-737 or E190-787. Most of the single type pilots are temporary pilots or new fixed pilots who will end up flying two types when they have the required experience.

Feel free to forget the "submit" button next time...

[KriVa]

Pilots are only rated on one aircraft with the exception of some Captains which are higher up the ladder..

Really now? I guess I haven't been washing my eyes properly for the last 4 years then, seeing the same F/O on the 737 one day, and departing on Long Haul with the 767 the next(and before you try going there: *no*, they aren't flying as pax on either type)...
Please base your arguments on facts, not assumptions.