sean1982 wrote:Guys, it's a LCC(as they say themselves) and a charter airline. Seat pitch is standard for that sort of operation. You want more? Take a legacy carrier and pay more.
I agree, yet I do not agree with them repeatedly calling it "beenruimte" as one obviously does not get anywhere near 75cm of legroom!
If it's the seatpitch they refer to, than they should refer to 'stoelafstand' which is 75cm; 'beenruimte' will then just be +/-15 cm.
IMHO, they are grossly misleading consumers by not using the correct terminology!
sean1982 wrote:Guys, it's a LCC(as they say themselves) and a charter airline. Seat pitch is standard for that sort of operation. You want more? Take a legacy carrier and pay more.
Not allways off course.
If you book a year in advance, LCC's mostly are cheaper indeed. But for those not booking 6 or 12 months in advance, it's worth to compare prices. And when travelling with holiday luggage, a legacy carrier might well offer the same price as a LCC, or even a better one.
EBAW_flyer wrote:What is the seat pitch on their 767's now? I'm sure they didn't choose a smaller seat pitch on their 787's.
Regular economy on the 763ER is between 30 & 32" depending where you sit, 34" in comfort.
So regular economy decreases compared to the 763ER, eco+ / premium increases. However, seatwith also decreases compared to the 763ER (18" in the 763ER and 17" in the 788).
Passenger wrote:If you book a year in advance, LCC's mostly are cheaper indeed. But for those not booking 6 or 12 months in advance, it's worth to compare prices. And when travelling with holiday luggage, a legacy carrier might well offer the same price as a LCC, or even a better one.
As you have 35 years of experience in aviation/travel/tourism, I followed your advice and a simple look at JAF"s website showed me that they do very good deals close to departure date. You can fly to several destinations this week for 64,99 (49,99 + 15 handling fee)
The day after tomorrow:
JAF: BRU-AGP: 154,99 against BruAIr 184
EZY: BRU-LYS: 100€ (with checked in bag, emergency row seat and a carry on of 25 kg and the purchase of a meal on board)
BruAir: 443€ in B-flex.
You've looked for an example which favours the LCC. Quite obvious: you're working for one. There have been examples posted here before where the LCC was more expensive then the legacy carrier. It works both ways indeed because yield management applies. Airlines lower their rates if they have a low occupation close to departure of one particular flight, and they make tickets more expensive if the flight is almost full. Every airlines does so: legacy carriers, low cost carriers, charters airlines who also sell tickets only.
Five years ago, LCC's were always cheaper then the legacy carriers. Nowadays, it's worth to compare prices between low cost carriers and legacy carriers. Remember our professor Maus: he's not flying out of Charleroi anymore because the luggage surcharge makes the LCC more expensive then flying out of BRU with a legacy carrier.
I recieved a private message some days ago: "it's useless to go into debate with ... and ... because they don't see luchtzak as a forum to discuss, but as a social medium where they have to post their professional story".
So back on topic: is a seat pitch of 29,5" normal for a long haul charter? I would say no, unless you advise your clients in advance what it is. Thus not using "leg room 75 cm", but "seat pitch 29,5".
Passenger wrote:I recieved a private message some days ago: "it's useless to go into debate with ... and ... because they don't see luchtzak as a forum to discuss, but as a social medium where they have to post their professional story".
So back on topic: is a seat pitch of 29,5" normal for a long haul charter? I would say no, unless you advise your clients in advance what it is. Thus not using "leg room 75 cm", but "seat pitch 29,5".
Exactly, DISCUSSING the PROFESSIONAL side, which is much more then the perceived knowledge that you have.
The only thing that private message shows is that the moderator is frustrated that a few people come up with well balanced facts and sensible arguments that don't stroke with his and a few other one sided view that doesnt stroke with reality, which is both immature and sad
sean1982 wrote:Exactly, DISCUSSING the PROFESSIONAL side, which is much more then the perceived knowledge that you have.
I said "professional story", the company story that is repeated 100 times, true or not. And if someone disagrees: insult, become personal, ridiculize, shoot the messenger.
Example : you've said a LCC is always cheaper. I say no, not anymore because other airlines have adapted and because LCC add surcharges. I give the example of professor Maus, saying he doesn't use Ryanair anymore for his holiday flights because of the luggage surcharges (see De Tijd, 29 August 2013). Reaction from the Ryanair-front: Maus = Mickey Mouse. Real professionalism that is.
Jetairfly's 787 will be compared to Condor, long haul carrier for Thomas Cook.
Condor 767-300ER:
Economy : 31"
Premium Economy : 37"
Business Class : 49"
Jetairfly 787-800:
Economy : 29,5"
Economy Plus : 33,5"
Premium Club : 37"
Will the absence of bleed air, the quiet cabin and the new interior lighting (i.e. to avoid jet lags) in the 787 seen as more important then the seat pitch? My guess is that a nonstop or direct flight out of Brussels (Jetair/Sunjets) will beat the stopover at Frankfurt (Thomas Cook/Neckermann). Except perhaps for the passengers willing to pay more to have more space onboard.
Or is the translation seat pitch to legroom wrong, and will OO-JDL match Condor's 767?
When looking at the current fleet, seat pitch differs a bit around the cabin (in the same class). They say 'more than'. So I assume 29,5" is the absolute minimum and only at the 'place restricted' seats as you have them at certain places in an aircraft cabin. I assume the majority of the cabin will be around 30-31", or at least, I hope so.
They also say the cabin is "more than 1,8m high", which is also a bit misleading, this is the absolute minimum in the cabin (measured close to the cabin walls under the overhead lockers). I hope they did a similar thing with their seat pitch statements..
Jetairfly's 787 will be compared to Condor, long haul carrier for Thomas Cook.
Condor 767-300ER:
Economy : 31"
Premium Economy : 37"
Business Class : 49"
Jetairfly 787-800:
Economy : 29,5"
Economy Plus : 33,5"
Premium Club : 37"
Will the absence of bleed air, the quiet cabin and the new interior lighting (i.e. to avoid jet lags) in the 787 seen as more important then the seat pitch? My guess is that a nonstop or direct flight out of Brussels (Jetair/Sunjets) will beat the stopover at Frankfurt (Thomas Cook/Neckermann). Except perhaps for the passengers willing to pay more to have more space onboard.
Or is the translation seat pitch to legroom wrong, and will OO-JDL match Condor's 767?
And the Condor 767 interior is being refurbished. With full-flat seats in business class and also with LED mood lighting throughout the entire cabin.
Looks amazing!
EBAW_flyer wrote:What is the seat pitch on their 767's now? I'm sure they didn't choose a smaller seat pitch on their 787's.
According to their newsletter: Seatpitch in Economy is the same as economy on their Boeing 767, which is quite OK, 'Economy +' is the same as the present 'Comfort Class' on 767 and their Premium should be even bigger.
Source: (Dutch) http://www.tuinews.be/online_JAF/131_1/ ... 17_10_2013
OO-JDL assembled in SEA, left pos.4, and currently in the paintshop at Paine Field, Everett.
Another few weeks of test flights, and Belgian Aviation will host the first brandnew wide body aircraft from a factory since decades,
JAF previous B767s were second hand, Brussels Al 330 s are old and second hand, since Sabena days, Citybird 767 and MD 11 were not factory New neither, so, must have been since Sabena s A332,
Will be a great moment for Belgian Aviation, particullary Jetairfly.
