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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by sn26567 » 19 Nov 2012, 14:15

Inquirer wrote:Btw, I don't know which dates in March you've picked, but I see fares of 135euro for midweek flights with just 1 or 2 night stay?
I took similar flights for both airlines, i.e. from a Monday night to a Tuesday night. I didn't look midweek flights with a 2-night stay.
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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by teddybAIR » 19 Nov 2012, 14:27

I'll keep you updated every tuesday and thursday on the loads of the BMI flight. I literally watch them deboarding 'tussen de soep en de patatten' :)

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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by Inquirer » 19 Nov 2012, 14:36

sn26567 wrote:
Inquirer wrote:Btw, I don't know which dates in March you've picked, but I see fares of 135euro for midweek flights with just 1 or 2 night stay?
I took similar flights for both airlines, i.e. from a Monday night to a Tuesday night. I didn't look midweek flights with a 2-night stay.
I see, that's probably why then.

Interesting explanation above, btw.
A quick fare comparison seems to match the tactic explained: Brussels indeed looks (slightly) more expensive on flights with dates long out in the future, but as you near the departure date, they are almost systematically undercutting those of bmi. That's likely not a coincidence indeed.

I very much doubt bmi is getting a healthy mix of revenues that way: I certainly can't see anyone booking them close to departure date and it seems that they aren't particularly successful in attracting loads of early bookers either (or maybe they are just keeping seats open for later, but for whom: at 800 to 1,000euro return, surely nobody is going to fly them if B.air offers tickets at half the price still for same day departures?).

This doesn't look good for bmi, if you ask me: B.air seems to be trying to push bmi off the MAN route, just as they seem to be doing on Edinburgh too.

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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by teddybAIR » 19 Nov 2012, 15:12

I spontaneously wonder whether the Brussels Airlines pricing strategy was different before BMI started flying MAN-ANR...

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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by Flanker » 19 Nov 2012, 15:36

I think that it's something else.
Bmi isn't pricing itself out of the market, it's that there is a demand for a high yield rich-*ss shuttle.
But I don't see them succeeding in that capacity, with an ERJ for god's sake....

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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by teddybAIR » 19 Nov 2012, 15:46

Anyway, if 5 passengers pay 1.000€ for a round trip, they better inform themselves at ASL or flying group for a price quote in a Beechcraft.

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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by andorra-airport » 19 Nov 2012, 16:05

It's not only Antwerp. A return flight from Groningen to Aberdeen with BMI can cost you also 1000 euro or more.... But I guess the oil guys have the money for that.

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Re: Bezetting Antwerpen- Manchester

Post by airazurxtror » 19 Nov 2012, 19:11

sn26567 wrote:I just simulated two reservations, one for departing from ANR tonight and coming back from MAN tomorrow night, the other for a similar trip in March 2013.
The respective prices are a whopping EUR 1,056.25 and a very reasonable EUR 129.01.
From Charleroi, in March, it would be between 73,98 and 82,98 euros (at the moment - lower prices probably available in January-February)
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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by FLYAIR10 » 03 Jan 2013, 22:01

It seems BMI-Regional is lowering its prices significantly these days.. If booked now,you can get a return ticket ANR-MAN in february for less than €120... :)
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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by DIBO » 09 Jan 2013, 14:09

Anybody knows how this compares to the ANR-MAN CityJet fares last year?
And TeddybAIR, are you still "watch them deboarding 'tussen de soep en de patatten' "? Any update?

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by tangolima » 19 Jul 2013, 08:28

Hello

This morning only 7 passengers are booked on the BMI flight to MAN....

Greetings,
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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by teddybAIR » 19 Jul 2013, 09:30

DIBO wrote:And TeddybAIR, are you still "watch them deboarding 'tussen de soep en de patatten' "? Any update?
No, I don't eat at Belair anymore after I've been treated unfriendly twice in one week...man what an attitude! We have our lunches at De Cockpit (on one of the corners of the roundabout in front of the airport) now: simple food, but friendly staff.

So no update on the loadfactors of BMI :) What I can tell is that to my big surprise I witnessed a close to 100% load factor of one of the inbound VLM's on a saterday a few weeks ago.

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by Comet » 19 Jul 2013, 11:27

Although I have not been on the MAN-ANR service, I flew on the services to BRU operated by bmi from EMA and LBA. Very often the passenger number on the outward flight from England would be very low, but on the return the flight was always full. The flight frequency from EMA ended up being reduced and the flight from LBA axed altogether owing to small numbers, so if they do that to the BRU flight I can imagine it is only a matter of time before the ANR service is withdrawn if numbers are low.
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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by Boeing767copilot » 30 Oct 2013, 15:47

The end is near. bmi regional will suspend his daily service ANR-MAN as from 29/11/13 :(

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by crew1990 » 30 Oct 2013, 16:05

i actually don't see witch traffic this airport could get, there is a huge potential in Antwerpen, however Brussels Airport is easily reachable and offer some prices that Antwerpen Airport can't compet with.

In my opininon, Antwerpen Airport should stay focus on the business aviation unless they make a bigger runway abble to land at least a A319/737.

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by crew1990 » 30 Oct 2013, 16:05

Sad news anyway for the airport :-(

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by RoMax » 02 Nov 2013, 13:46

This may be the result, not only of possibly lacking traffic on the ANR route, but also simply because bmi is closing its crew base at Manchester (together with these at EDI, also resulting in the end of the EDI-BRU route and BHX). The only route that will remain out of MAN will be Aberdeen, which is their home base. Besides Antwerp, the Manchester - Lyon and Edinburgh routes will end on the same day at the end of this month.
With the closure of the MAN-base, there is probably no commercial sense in keeping the MAN-ANR route.

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by FLYAIR10 » 02 Nov 2013, 22:07

This may be the result, not only of possibly lacking traffic on the ANR route, but also simply because bmi is closing its crew base at Manchester (together with these at EDI, also resulting in the end of the EDI-BRU route and BHX). The only route that will remain out of MAN will be Aberdeen, which is their home base. Besides Antwerp, the Manchester - Lyon and Edinburgh routes will end on the same day at the end of this month.
With the closure of the MAN-base, there is probably no commercial sense in keeping the MAN-ANR route.This may be the result, not only of possibly lacking traffic on the ANR route, but also simply because bmi is closing its crew base at Manchester (together with these at EDI, also resulting in the end of the EDI-BRU route and BHX). The only route that will remain out of MAN will be Aberdeen, which is their home base. Besides Antwerp, the Manchester - Lyon and Edinburgh routes will end on the same day at the end of this month.
With the closure of the MAN-base, there is probably no commercial sense in keeping the MAN-ANR route.
They could have kept Aberdeen-MAN-ANR 1Xday and Aberdeen-MAN-Lyon 1Xday or a 1-3-5-7/2-4-6 schedule..
Wonder which airline will be next on this route,if any, in the foreseeable future. Maybe next one should try to attract some transfer passengers, feeding TATL flights serving MAN or Ireland.. I guess BMI is having no transfer passengers at all on this route..

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by RoMax » 02 Nov 2013, 23:39

FLYAIR10 wrote: They could have kept Aberdeen-MAN-ANR 1Xday
There is no sense in keeping such a route running on such low shedule. Just like there was no sense in it for SN to keep Newcastle running with less than 3 daily flights (on weekdays).

Besides, bmi has other plans with their fleet (including a higher range of (business) charter flights and a higher focus on their remaining bases).

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Re: Load factor Antwerp-Manchester

Post by AAI » 03 Nov 2013, 18:48

Here 3 reasons why BMI will leave ANR
1) too short runway for their Embraer 145 ( because the 135 will be phased out )
2) their fares were to high compared with BRU
3) they did' t any effort for transfer pax

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