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tolipanebas
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Netjets sacks Belgians as law changes block tax dodging

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The recently implemented EU directive forcing pilots to pay their social security contributions in the country of their home base rather than that of their airline, makes Belgium-based corporate pilots too expensive and thus no longer wanted at Portugal-based Netjets Europe.

http://www.ivobelet.eu/item/luchtvaartm ... n_te_ontsl

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Re: Netjets sacks Belgians as law changes block tax dodging

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Davignon and Gustin just made themselves 128 enemies. It's now time for them to go to Brico to buy a second set of locks and to Randstad to hire a bodyguard :lol:

So what will the pilots do? Move to the UK/Portugal?
After all, with the situation at TNT, SN and VG, they will not be likely to find another job in Belgium.

Also, the Belgian Ryanair pilots based at CRL will be very happy with Gustin. They will have to move to another base just for the sake of him wanting to prove a point. It won't change the fact that they will still be paying social taxes in another country than Belgium.

This is how it works in European politics: A politician who has an interest in a badly managed airline, can force a change in law so that the well-run airlines, some that are not even their competitors, can go bust or fire hundreds of pilots who will end up on the wellfare payroll of the government.

Déja-vu? Yes, just the same kind of manipulation that SN's top management was accusing Congolese airlines of doing.

I warned of the knock-on effects that this hatered campaign would have.

Hundreds of people will have to change their lives just for the sake of Gustin wanting to prove a point... Now that is pretty. Most interestingly, it was in vain as it will have no effect on SN's ability to make money and it doesn't look like SN is going to compensate for those lost jobs, after reducing their own staff to part-time employment.

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I had understood that the airlines have 10 years to apply the ruling to the present personnel; the new rule being applied immediatly only to the newly hired ones ? Or have I misunderstood it all ?
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Re: Netjets sacks Belgians as law changes block tax dodging

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It's not Davignon and/or Gustin who are the cause of the law changes:

http://www.corriere.it/english/12_ottob ... 3e23.shtml

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Re: Netjets sacks Belgians as law changes block tax dodging

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May I suggest you change the title to reflect the truth.
This has nothing to do with with dodging not even with tax.

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Re: Netjets sacks Belgians as law changes block tax dodging

Post by shockcooling »

That's true, it should more like this.

"Netjets fires 128 pilots due to unfavourable market conditions (etc, blabla)"

And yes, there's a new European rule which says everyone has to pay social contributions where they're based, with a 10 year time frame. Unfortunately Netjes chose to implement that rule as from today and found the best excuse to fire a bunch of captains.

full letter found on pprune; http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flyin ... ost7464501

Hey Flanker, Gustin was actually pointing out the level-playing field, and in his case comparing SN with FR.
Btw; How many enemies do yo think MOL has, he is doing exactly the opposite by trying to push as many airlines out of the market, but is he really doing this in a fair way? According to you, a CEO from a small belgian company is to blame for people losing their jobs in aviation? Also for Malev/Spanair/Air Finland...or maybe a little bit FR?

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Re: Netjets sacks Belgians as law changes block tax dodging

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Home base is not where the captain's home is based, but where he gets dispatched from. Where his flights start most of the time

So the question is: Does he has to start flying in Belgium most of the time?

That's why the EU changed the rules on pilot pays.
Ryanair, to name one, dispatches his pilots from a steady base that is not in Ireland, but for instance in CRL. However Ryanair payed no social security contribution in Belgium because they payed them under an Irish contract.

This problem only exists since there are airlines in more than one EU country. As before the national carriers were just that; Carriers that had the bulk load of flights originating in their respective countries.

Another solution would have been: one equal social system throughout the EU. But that is Utopia as we all know.

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flightlover wrote:Home base is not where the captain's home is based, but where he gets dispatched from. Where his flights start most of the time
Netjets has a lot of pilots who don't have firm home base from where his/her flights start most of the time. In that case the EU rules say that they fall under the social system of the country where they live. Because the social charges are the highest in Belgium and France (of the countries where quite some Netjets pilots live), these people are hit the most by the plan of Netjets to fire 128 pilots.

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Unfortunately only in French but it says that the European Commision doesn't agree with NetJets:
Licenciement chez NetJets en France : "La compagnie compte-t-elle aller jusqu'au bout de sa logique et licencier pilotes français et belges sur un critère aussi discriminant que leur lieu d'affectation au sein de l'Union ?"

La Compagnie aérienne NetJets annonce le licenciement de 128 pilotes basés en France et en Belgique en raison du taux de charges sociales trop élevé dans ces deux pays.

En réponse à la question adressée à la Commission européenne par sept parlementaires européens dont Christine DE VEYRAC, membre de la Commission des Transports du Parlement européen, la Commission européenne a rappelé que la législation relative à la sécurité sociale des personnels navigants "ne doit pas servir d’excuse aux compagnies pour licencier du personnel navigant".

"La Commission européenne et les parlementaires européens ont donc une interprétation bien différente de celle faite par la compagnie NetJets qui détourne des mesures protectrices pour les travailleurs pour les utiliser à leur détriment. La compagnie compte-t-elle aller jusqu'au bout de sa logique et licencier pilotes français et belges sur un critère aussi discriminant que leur lieu d'affectation au sein de l'Union ?"s'interroge la députée européenne du Sud-ouest.

"De nombreuses compagnies aériennes traversent une période de turbulences qui peut malheureusement conduire à des licenciements. Mais le critère ici retenu souligne l'urgence pour le gouvernement AYRAULT de s'attaquer au cœur du problème : les charges sociales ! Sinon, comme NetJets, d'autres entreprises étrangères déserteront la France!" expliquait Christine DE VEYRAC lors de l'annonce des intentions de licenciements de la compagnie aérienne NetJets.

L'eurodéputée du Sud-ouest s'investit depuis de nombreuses années dans la défense du secteur aérien mais aussi dans la protection des emplois concernés dans nos territoires.

"Le problème soulevé ici est bien plus large que la seule entreprise NetJets: l'attractivité de la France n'est plus ! Combien de salariés sur le carreau avant de comprendre qu'un allégement des charges est vital pour nos entreprises et donc nos emplois?"dénonçait alors Christine DE VEYRAC.


La Compagnie aérienne NetJets annonce le licenciement de 128 pilotes basés en France et en Belgique en raison du taux de charges sociales trop élevé dans ces deux pays.

En réponse à la question adressée à la Commission européenne par sept parlementaires européens dont Christine DE VEYRAC, membre de la Commission des Transports du Parlement européen, la Commission européenne a rappelé que la législation relative à la sécurité sociale des personnels navigants "ne doit pas servir d’excuse aux compagnies pour licencier du personnel navigant".

"La Commission européenne et les parlementaires européens ont donc une interprétation bien différente de celle faite par la compagnie NetJets qui détourne des mesures protectrices pour les travailleurs pour les utiliser à leur détriment. La compagnie compte-t-elle aller jusqu'au bout de sa logique et licencier pilotes français et belges sur un critère aussi discriminant que leur lieu d'affectation au sein de l'Union ?"s'interroge la députée européenne du Sud-ouest.

"De nombreuses compagnies aériennes traversent une période de turbulences qui peut malheureusement conduire à des licenciements. Mais le critère ici retenu souligne l'urgence pour le gouvernement AYRAULT de s'attaquer au cœur du problème : les charges sociales ! Sinon, comme NetJets, d'autres entreprises étrangères déserteront la France!" expliquait Christine DE VEYRAC lors de l'annonce des intentions de licenciements de la compagnie aérienne NetJets.

L'eurodéputée du Sud-ouest s'investit depuis de nombreuses années dans la défense du secteur aérien mais aussi dans la protection des emplois concernés dans nos territoires.

"Le problème soulevé ici est bien plus large que la seule entreprise NetJets: l'attractivité de la France n'est plus ! Combien de salariés sur le carreau avant de comprendre qu'un allégement des charges est vital pour nos entreprises et donc nos emplois?"dénonçait alors Christine DE VEYRAC.

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