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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by RoMax » 17 Nov 2012, 12:15

sn26567 wrote: Yes, therefore, they intend to build a third assembly line for the 737.
Indeed, they'll launch 737MAX production on a third line, eventually turning the other lines in 737MAX production as well.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by RoMax » 02 Jan 2013, 15:53

2012 was the best year for Boeing in about a decade. The second best year ever in aircraft deliveries (only 1999 was better, thanks to the final MD deliveries in that year) and based on orders only the record year of 2007 was better. For the first time in years they beat Airbus again (for deliveries that may still be the case in 2013, for the orders...I doubt it). In deliveries thanks to the picking up production of the 787 and 748 (77 deliveries for the two programs combined) and orders were high as well thanks to the 737MAX.

Today Boeing announced that ACG (Aviation Capital Group) firmed up their previously announced order for 60 MAX aircraft. 50 MAX8's and 10 MAX9's were ordered by this leasing company and the order was firmed in late December. This brings the MAX total to 1,029 firm orders.

Not bad, but rather low compared to the 1,654 firm orders for the A320neo. Yes the NEO was launched 8 months earlier (which made 2011 the year of the NEO, while 2012 was the year of the MAX), but that's not enough to justify the 600+ less firm orders.
Silkair was the only A320-user to go for the MAX, while American (an MD/Boeing-user), Pegasus (737-only airline) and Norwegian (737-only airline) decided to order the MAX and the NEO or the NEO only (Pegasus).

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by RoMax » 14 Feb 2013, 22:32

After Icelandair planned announced a MoU for 12 MAX aircraft, they now firmed up an order for 16 737MAX aircraft (MAX 8 and MAX 9).

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=49869

As mentioned in another topic, American also firmed up their 100 MAX8 order. This brings the total firm orders to 1,180 for the 737MAX (still no MAX 7 orders btw, all 8 and 9, like Airbus is selling very few A319neo's).
Note: AA also firmed up the order for 130 A321NEO's, 42 787's and some extra 77W's.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by sn26567 » 15 Apr 2013, 16:10

FAA orders airworthiness directive on 737 aircraft

The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has ordered an airworthiness directive (AD), which will result in the inspection of more than 1,000 737 aircraft.

It has raised concerns over the pins used to attach the wing's horizontal stabiliser rear spar.

The FAA is concerned about "reports of an incorrect procedure used to apply the wear and corrosion protection surface coating", which would have occurred within the factory. The concerns particularly regard new and very popular versions of the aircraft.

The FAA said it could cost over $9,500 per aircraft.

Delta asked to be exempted from the inspection because their 737s were built in years unaffected by the problem, but the FAA refused.
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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by Desert Rat » 15 Apr 2013, 18:18

sn26567 wrote:the wing's horizontal stabiliser rear spar.


Kind of strange location....

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by MD-11forever » 31 May 2013, 09:23

Any 737MAX for Jetairfly as well?

TUI Travel Buy 60 Boeing 737 Max Aircraft Valued at $6.1 Billion
May 31 (Bloomberg) -- -- TUI Travel Plc said it plans to buy 60 Boeing Co. 737 MAX aircraft valued at $6.1 billion and will take options for another 90 planes as the travel company renews its fleet with airliners that are less costly to operate.
TUI Travel, which owns and operates six European airlines, including Thomson Airways in the U.K., said a firm order is contingent on getting shareholder approval, according to a statement today. Delivery of the 60 committed planes will begin in 2018 and run until March 2023.
“Following the delivery of the aircraft, TUI Travel will continue to enjoy the benefits of a modern, fuel-efficient and cost-effective aircraft fleet,” the company said, adding the new planes will provide lower per-seat costs than its current planes or those of competitors.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by JAFflyer » 31 May 2013, 09:27

Yes, there are some for us too! Confirmed by management.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by RoMax » 31 May 2013, 16:59

Deliveries ranging from 2018 to 2023. Als interesting that 20 of them will be MAX 9's. Are these to replace the 757-fleet of Thomson (17 aircraft) or are other airlines also getting the MAX 9?

Anyway, nice they announce this on the day their first 787 for Thomson arrives (it has already arrived by now, but it was announced before arrival). Tomorrow their second 787 and over two weeks number 3.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jul 2013, 18:17

A first picture of a 737-800 (not yet a MAX!) with the scimitar split winglets that will equip the future MAX models:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-A ... 2286405/L/

(Note: no, we don't censor links to "competitor" websites. We consider them as colleagues. Not all websites have a similar behaviour: follow my eyes...)
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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by sn26567 » 23 Jul 2013, 20:44

Boeing has completed the configuration of the 737 MAX 8

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=50920

Final assembly is due to begin in 2015 and first delivery scheduled for third quarter of 2017 (if there is no delay...).

One statement surprises me: "The 737 MAX will be 13 percent more fuel-efficient than today’s most efficient single-aisle airplanes and 8 percent more fuel-efficient per seat than tomorrow’s competition."

How do they know how fuel-efficient the A320NEO will be ???
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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by cnc » 23 Jul 2013, 20:50

they don't, its just marketing lying and playing with some figures fitting best their needs.
its not just boeing but airbus, car makers, ... you name it do it

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by cnc » 24 Jul 2013, 12:33

btw i think the Split Scimitar Winglet is worth mentioning as UA is now using it :D
here's a usefull info page about it http://www.gizmodo.in/science/How-These ... 169933.cms

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by smokejumper » 26 Jul 2013, 05:14

cnc wrote:they don't, its just marketing lying and playing with some figures fitting best their needs.
its not just boeing but airbus, car makers, ... you name it do it
I don't believe it is lying, per se, but an engineering estimate based of known facts. The A-320 is heavier than the current B-737 and uses higher thrust engines; it is also about 8% thirstier. Extrapolating this to the yet-to-fly A-320 NEO, probably yields similar results.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by bollox » 26 Jul 2013, 18:31

The Scimitar winglets look cute. However we should not forget that the Scimitar is a cutting tool for elimination of competion (in battle) :mrgreen: Thus,I feel that other planes and higher vehicles need to their distance, since this winglet is a can-opener too. :lol:

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by RoMax » 07 Aug 2013, 15:46

smokejumper wrote:
cnc wrote:they don't, its just marketing lying and playing with some figures fitting best their needs.
its not just boeing but airbus, car makers, ... you name it do it
I don't believe it is lying, per se, but an engineering estimate based of known facts. The A-320 is heavier than the current B-737 and uses higher thrust engines; it is also about 8% thirstier. Extrapolating this to the yet-to-fly A-320 NEO, probably yields similar results.
Not about the 737/A320, but a similar matter on the 748 and the A380. A dispute between Boeing and Airbus about a Boeing advertisement which Airbus said was misleading and not correct.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... nt-389223/

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Post by MD-11forever » 12 Aug 2013, 10:25

50 737MAX for Jet Airways:

Aug. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Jet Airways India ordered 50 Boeing 737 Max planes in a fleet expansion worth $5b, Mint newspaper reports, citing documents it reviewed. Planes are to be delivered between 2018 and 2021.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by sn26567 » 26 Sep 2013, 12:32

Ryanair challenges Boeing to add seats to 737 MAX

Irish low-cost carrier Ryanair has challenged Boeing to find space for an extra 11 seats on its forthcoming 737 MAX, as it seeks to wring maximum productivity from the next-generation single-aisle aircraft.

The 737 MAX is designed to have 189 seats, but Ryanair has for some time sought a capacity “sweet spot” of 200 seats, which would allow it to continue to staff an aircraft with four cabin crew.

In Boeing's views, removing toilets—a long-mooted Ryanair solution to finding more space for seats—is one option, although passenger comfort would exclude to have lengthy queues for a single toilet at the front of the aircraft.

Reducing seat pitch below the current 30-in. level is excluded, as this would have a seriously detrimental effect on habitability.

Ryanair has 175 737-800s on order. Delivery timescales mean that none of these would be converted to MAX models.
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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by sean1982 » 26 Sep 2013, 14:22

I really do not think removing toilets is the solution to find extra space :/

Thinner seats could help and also wy not lengthen the fuselage by 2m or so? As the design is not set in stone I don't see any reason as to why the aircraft would have to have the same length as the -800?

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by RoMax » 26 Sep 2013, 14:46

sean1982 wrote:I really do not think removing toilets is the solution to find extra space :/

Thinner seats could help and also wy not lengthen the fuselage by 2m or so? As the design is not set in stone I don't see any reason as to why the aircraft would have to have the same length as the -800?
Why would they change the length of the fuselage when they have the MAX 9? Boeing realy isn't into designing a new sub-type just because RYR wants it.
What RYR want so to is getting more out of the current -800 fuselage. But if they want to do that, they'll have to change the amount of exits or the type of exits for the MAX 8 as it's certificated for nothing more than 189 seats. I even wonder if Boeing is willing to that, unless there are more airlines looking for such high-density MAX8's.
But about making the fuselage longer (but not as long as the MAX9), I don't see any reason for Boeing to do such a change bringing much more extra costs to the design and requiring more changes to the current supply chain and production facilities.

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Re: Boeing 737 (MAX) news

Post by sean1982 » 26 Sep 2013, 14:49

But who says the Max8 has to be exactly the same size as the current NG800? After all a slightly longer fuselage offers customers a lot more options then just high density seating?

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