Bracebrace wrote: ↑
08 May 2019, 09:00
I think you misquoted me here... I never made statements on that subject.
As for that statement: my experience is I don't see any problem with that. It can be tough in some isolated cases, yes, no need to deny. But it is much much harder to re-train someone with 2000hrs of single engine piston habits that are not to be used on a swept wing jet. On the very basic assumption that they mastered basic IFR attitude flying and basic landing skills (I'm talking 200ft and below) and it is usually the student attitude during flight school that will make the difference. Not the experience.
But if you believe the "special flying skills" I don't see the connection with JAF, as JAF is currently the only Belgian airline to train MPL people. Their experience is the lowest of the lowest in aviation (especially basic landing skills).
As I said "noise prooves nothing".
Poiu had a very short but clear and correct statement earlier on this topic.
You need a good plane, and correctly trained pilots together.
You cannot say that a pilot who never flies manually is a correctly trained pilot. Some airlines push pilots to use automation as from 400ft AGL after take-off until the aircraft is perfectly configured for landing. These pilots never "feel" their plane, they watch what the plane is doing
and never, never fly it raw data with manual thrust. Never. They are scared to do that, because they have never been trained to do it and not only that, they are not allowed to do it by their airline. Do you find that acceptable? I don't. You can't ignore there is a problem in the industry with this particular topic, the aircraft accident/incident history in recent cases clearly proves that.
These are not "special flying skills" but basic flying skills every single pilot should have. You talk about the MPL program. These guys will have a PPL and then will be trained in a 737 simulator. The standard required in the real 737 is the same or higher than for "conventional" training. It's just the way to achieve it that is different. New things are scary for some people, but at least give them a chance and see what the result will be. If it doesn't work, they will never be released on the line. Every year they have to kick new F/O's out because they do not have the standards required, it won't be different for MPL guys. Also, these MPL students have been selected out of thousands of applications and are really good guys, not unmotivated rich young boys who want to be pilots for their instagram account. They have a tough training to undergo, and I'm 100% looking forward to be flying with such people.
I was also very skeptical about that MPL program, but I am sure it can be very efficient if the aim is to have highly qualified pilots, with a training given by very experienced & skilled instructors. More efficient than classic flying schools where you only have to pay to get your license with bad skills at the end.
Now the Ethiopian:
Do you find normal that a captain with 8000 hours tries to engage the A/P numerous times with a PFD that shows pitch up indications of 75° with the stick shaker activated? How on earth did he think that would save their a**? He did that only because he does that on every normal take-off. With A/T engaged at all times. Why do you think the thrust remained at 94% for "most of the flight"? See how fast their speed was increasing by reading the graphs on the accident report. Scary, really.
Should we go further with:
The EK 777 f***-up go around at DXB?
Or the Turkish 737 at AMS?
Or the Asiana 777 at SFO?
Just a small edit; this is my opinion based on flying the 737. It's still a classic plane that sometimes has to be flown as a classic plane. If you are lucky to fly a modern plane, such as the 320, then I imagine your opinion on this matter might be completely, completely different.