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Air Canada Boeing 737-8 MAX suffers left-hand engine fault on return to service flight :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... ce-flight/
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TLspotting wrote: 25 Dec 2020, 17:16 Air Canada Boeing 737-8 MAX suffers left-hand engine fault on return to service flight :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... ce-flight/
Where was an engine failure or engine fault involved? Both engines continued to run until the left engine was shut down according to QRH due to the fuel imbalance ...

http://avherald.com/h?article=4e0ef146

And the global media take the more appealing story and spread the engine failure story instead of the correct version that The Aviation Herald published the previous day!

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Are you a pilot? It's a ferry flight after storage in the desert, the Aviation Herald version is probably also not the correct version.

But the idea is easy: if you have to shut down an engine because you can't rule out it's not a fuel leak after you've already had other problems on top, it's a reason to land and call it a day, that is not a safe aircraft. It's a reason to talk to some people on the ground that whatever their procedure is to make the aircraft "airworthy", even if it is a ferry flight, doesn't work. There are hundreds of 737 max's that will have to leave storage on ferry flights.

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Brace, you are barking up the wrong tree!
Simon was only, rightfully, criticising TL and Luchtzak for another copy/paste with a spectacular headline without double checking the story first. He didn’t judge the crew, he was just pointing out the Herald has a less spectacular but more realistic and factual report of the event.

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I got the information from a Facebook post, who took it from Simon’s website. Meanwhile, I spoke with Simon to clear things out.

I updated the article.

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luchtzak wrote: 26 Dec 2020, 12:42 I got the information from a Facebook post, who took it from Simon’s website. Meanwhile, I spoke with Simon to clear things out.

I updated the article.
Thanks! ;-) All good now!

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Bracebrace wrote: 26 Dec 2020, 12:04 Are you a pilot? It's a ferry flight after storage in the desert, the Aviation Herald version is probably also not the correct version.

But the idea is easy: if you have to shut down an engine because you can't rule out it's not a fuel leak after you've already had other problems on top, it's a reason to land and call it a day, that is not a safe aircraft. It's a reason to talk to some people on the ground that whatever their procedure is to make the aircraft "airworthy", even if it is a ferry flight, doesn't work. There are hundreds of 737 max's that will have to leave storage on ferry flights.
I never criticized the crew - you are right, that the fuel imbalance required an engine shut down according to the QRH, as the fuel imbalance had to trigger the suspicion of a fuel leak, and thus required a landing at the nearest suitable airport. It had also been justified to consult with dispatch and maintenance following the hydraulic failure indication and decide to continue the flight. The pilots performed perfectly by the books as I understand the narrative so far (which comes from the Canadian TSB).

Neither the hydraulic fault nor the fuel imbalance mean an engine had failed or had a fault, even if the engine was shut down as a precaution as required by the QRH. This was on overinterpretation by somebody who took the story from us - and unfortunately it went on to aviation24 and from there jumped to Reuters and to the entire world, now all global media reporting an engine failure (and basically forgetting the combination of these two faults, which may or may not be related).

It has been an eye opener for me however seeing which aviation media just took over the report from Reuters (even word by word!) without cross check even though they should have known better and where they would get reliable information. It has been an eye opener of how Reuters "crosscheck" their stories, and I certainly will look at this news agency differently in the future.

But perhaps reading our coverage would have made clear I am not criticizing the pilots, too ;-)

http://avherald.com/h?article=4e0ef146

I found Bart's reaction and update very good!

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@AustrianSimon: Ok, I completely misinterpreted your initial reaction it appears, apologies for that. I wanted to point out something completely different btw, but that's not relevant anymore. Cheerz!

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Icelandair has entered into an agreement with Sky Aero Management (Ireland) regarding a 12-year sale/leaseback of two B737 MAX 9s. The aircraft are expected for delivery in 2Q 2021. The lease period for each aircraft will be 12 years.
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American Airlines flew a round-trip route between Miami and New York on 29 December 2020 with a B737 MAX, thus resuming commercial service with the plane. The airline also took delivery of one B737 MAX 8, MSN 44476.

FAA said it would reform how it certifies new aeroplanes in line with legislation passed by the US Congress after two B737 MAX crashes.
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Copa Airlines has resumed operations with its MAX fleet, with a B737-9 flying from Panama City to San Jose, Costa Rica on 29 December 2020.
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Singapore’s CAA said the B737 MAX 8 will not be used for commercial operations in Singapore until the authorities are satisfied that all safety concerns about the aircraft have been addressed.
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Deliveries of the 737MAX are getting speed: American Airlines took delivery of three B737 MAX 8s at once, MSN 44479, 44475 and 44477, and United Airlines took delivery of two B737 MAX 9s, MSN 43454 and 43456.
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Boeing has entered into an agreement with the US Department of Justice to resolve a criminal charge related to a conspiracy to defraud the FAA Aircraft Evaluation Group (AEF) in connection with the FAA AEG’s evaluation of the B737 MAX.

https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... onspiracy/
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Air Europa has delayed the delivery of 16 Boeing aircraft – two B787-9s and 14 B737 MAXs – which the carrier was to receive in the coming months. The MAX will now begin delivering from 2022 and the B787s from 2025.
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Aerolineas Argentinas is expected to return its five B737 MAX 8s to operation by May 2021, as the aircraft have been on the ground for more than 20 months.

SpiceJet expects to resume B737 MAX operations by March 2021, nearly two years after the worldwide grounding.
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Air Canada will be resuming B737 MAX commercial operations on 01 February 2021, following approval from the country’s regulator.

https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... g-737-max/

EASA has said the B737 MAX plane will get final clearance to resume flying in Europe next week.
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Boeing recorded 109 cancelled orders in December 2020, including 66 B737 MAX by Aviation Capital Group, 21 MAX by SMBC Aviation Capital, seven MAX by CDB Aviation, six MAX by Air Lease, four MAX by an unidentified customer, one B737 MAX and two BBJ2s by VIP customers, and two B787-9s by Boeing Capital.
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Ethiopian Airlines was advised by its American attorneys to not accept a settlement offered by Boeing for the crash of its 737 MAX, but instead to sue the manufacturer in the US for punitive damages.
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