In Hainan's newest PDF timetable there is a new destination visible, Madrid. However Hainan hasn't announced this yet and it's not loaded in the GDS either, so it's not sure if it will go trough.
Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route, two times a week (Monday and Friday) as from 19 September.
However, I just checked their PDF shedule, and indeed MAD trough BRU is mentionned, but BRU- PVG will go back to 3 weekly later this year and that's not mentionned by airlineroute. So the PVG-BRU-MAD-BRU-PVG flights would be 3 weekly also (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).
MR_Boeing wrote:In Hainan's newest PDF timetable there is a new destination visible, Madrid. However Hainan hasn't announced this yet and it's not loaded in the GDS either, so it's not sure if it will go trough.
Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route, two times a week (Monday and Friday) as from 19 September.
However, I just checked their PDF shedule, and indeed MAD trough BRU is mentionned, but BRU- PVG will go back to 3 weekly later this year and that's not mentionned by airlineroute. So the PVG-BRU-MAD-BRU-PVG flights would be 3 weekly also (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).
has PVG-BRU ever been more than 3 weekly (I even think it's only 2 weekly this summer) ?
PEK-BRU is 4 weekly and remains so in Winter 11/12 afaik.
airtrotter wrote:
has PVG-BRU ever been more than 3 weekly (I even think it's only 2 weekly this summer) ?
PEK-BRU is 4 weekly and remains so in Winter 11/12 afaik.
Will the MAD tag-on have 5th freedom rights?
No I don't think PVG-BRU was ever more than 3 weekly, and indeed reduced to 2 weekly this summer.
Airline Route gives the timetable of the new Jetairfly routes:
Belgium’s Jetairfly in Winter 2011 season is introducing new service to Oran in Algeria, Bangkok and Phuket in Thailand, Santo Domingo in Dominican Republic.
Aeroflot has changed his mind already some times about the amount of flights to BRU (ok, a lot had to do with bilateral agreements). After they upgraded from daily to 8 weekly they planned double daily for comming winter, but some time later they planned 8 weekly again. (And later SN announced to go 10 weekly to Moscow).
Now they changed their mind again, now they plan 9 weekly BRU-SVO for this winter season.
As from late September Alitalia will start receiving their new E175's (15) and E190's (5) and the initial routes to get these aircraft are known (and loaded in GDS).
And one of the routes is BRU-LIN wich will get 1 daily E190 (isn't this 3 daily A319 now? I remember the E170 performed the route before, but I don't think it's still doing it).
Anyway, nice to see a new type of Alitalia in Brussels.
Atlanta – Brussels: 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating New York JFK – Brussels: Boeing 767-300ER replaces 757-200 used in Winter 2010
sn26567 wrote:Atlanta – Brussels: 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating New York JFK – Brussels: Boeing 767-300ER replaces 757-200 used in Winter 2010
Source: Airline Route
It seems a lot of the ATL/JFK-Europe routes are being reduced from daily to 5 weekly in the comming winter season, quite some routes are even (temporary) cancelled. But this isn't a suprise. DL (and their transatlantic joint venture partners like AF/KL and Alitalia) announced they would seriously reduce capacity to save fuel costs, this winter.
Bit 'suprising' they replace B752 with B763 on JFK-BRU (I tought it was mostly 763 in summer and 752 or 5 weekly B763 in winter, the previous years, or am I wrong?). Do they see increasing demand or/and do they want to try to get a bigger market share in this market before SN enters the market shortly after winter?
Anyway, BRU seems to be one of the few to get more capacity from JFK this winter.
BMI have axed one of their flights between LBA and BRU - BD1613/4 leaving just the early morning flight and early evening flights from LBA, neither of which operate on a Saturday and only one of which operates on a Sunday.
As a passenger affected by this it is damned inconvenient, especially when the airline did not tell us our flights had been cancelled and we had been rebooked onto the later ones
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
MR_Boeing wrote:Bit 'suprising' they replace B752 with B763 on JFK-BRU (I tought it was mostly 763 in summer and 752 or 5 weekly B763 in winter, the previous years, or am I wrong?). Do they see increasing demand or/and do they want to try to get a bigger market share in this market before SN enters the market shortly after winter?
Anyway, BRU seems to be one of the few to get more capacity from JFK this winter.
This is a capacity reduction. A daily 757 means around 1,200 seats whereas 5 weekly 767s is around 1,000 seats. The only increase is in cargo capacity and in the number of premium seats (from 140 to more than 150, excluding premium economy) Given the fact that the main reason for this reduction in frequency is to prevent having to dump cheap Y seats on the market, the 767 is logical.
Comet wrote:BMI have axed one of their flights between LBA and BRU - BD1613/4 leaving just the early morning flight and early evening flights from LBA, neither of which operate on a Saturday and only one of which operates on a Sunday. As a passenger affected by this it is damned inconvenient, especially when the airline did not tell us our flights had been cancelled and we had been rebooked onto the later ones
Very annoying indeed.I was wondering about something, which routes does BMI regional operate this winter for SN? I noticed, when I tried to book, that the Birmingham flights are now operated on SN's Avros. A quick look at Bristol and Newcastle show that they are still operated by an ERJ145. Is BMI regional operating another route for SN as a replacement of the BHX flight?
I checked ch-aviation and noted something else which I find odd. According to them CS-TEX, and A310-300 from hifly is operating for SN. An error by ch-aviation?
Sikiri wrote:
I noticed, when I tried to book, that the Birmingham flights are now operated on SN's Avros. A quick look at Bristol and Newcastle show that they are still operated by an ERJ145. Is BMI regional operating another route for SN as a replacement of the BHX flight?
BHX is always, and has always been, operated by SN ARJ...
LJ wrote:
This is a capacity reduction. A daily 757 means around 1,200 seats whereas 5 weekly 767s is around 1,000 seats. The only increase is in cargo capacity and in the number of premium seats (from 140 to more than 150, excluding premium economy) Given the fact that the main reason for this reduction in frequency is to prevent having to dump cheap Y seats on the market, the 767 is logical.
I didn't realize the frequency reduction as it wasn't clearly mentionned (altough it was mentionned before indeed). But a fast check of amadeus shows me 6 weekly B767 by DL on JFK-BRU and not 5 weekly (checked 3 weeks around November/December).
So it seems the capacity stays almost the same, except for offering more cargo space and more premium seats.
MR_Boeing wrote:I didn't realize the frequency reduction as it wasn't clearly mentionned (altough it was mentionned before indeed). But a fast check of amadeus shows me 6 weekly B767 by DL on JFK-BRU and not 5 weekly (checked 3 weeks around November/December).
So it seems the capacity stays almost the same, except for offering more cargo space and more premium seats.
No, it's my mistake. I read somewhere that they reduced JFK-BRU to 5 weekly as well, but when looking on delta.com they remain at daily. Thus indeed an increase of 270 seats weekly (and these are mostly premium seats).
MR_Boeing wrote:In Hainan's newest PDF timetable there is a new destination visible, Madrid. However Hainan hasn't announced this yet and it's not loaded in the GDS either, so it's not sure if it will go trough.
Madrid would be operated two weekly as a tag-on of the Shangai-Brussels route, two times a week (Monday and Friday) as from 19 September.
However, I just checked their PDF shedule, and indeed MAD trough BRU is mentionned, but BRU- PVG will go back to 3 weekly later this year and that's not mentionned by airlineroute. So the PVG-BRU-MAD-BRU-PVG flights would be 3 weekly also (Monday, Wednesday, Friday).
This phantomroute has allready vanished out of the online timetable of HU... So it won't happen
Recently (4 August) OLT announced that they would stop most of their routes. 100 of the 120 people working for the airline would lose their job. Only the flights from Emden to Helgoland and Borkum would stay. But also in August OLT was bought by Amber gold (a Polish company), Amber Gold also bought the Polish Jet Air (wich operated the BRU-BRE route during the last months). Both companies form OLT Jetair. And it seems they plan more than just the two routes OLT was planning for this winter.
They will relaunch the Bremen-Brussels route on 2 November. It will be 9 weekly operated by a Jet Air with a Jetstream 32.
And ZRH will not be cancelled as first planned, but it will even increase from 14 to 17 weekly operated by a Saab 2000 (these were supposed to leave the fleet, together with the F100's wich they don't need anymore after loosing the Airbus contract)